WEEK 8
[Author's Note: [Author’s note: If this is your first time visiting the UMC blog, you might want to check out the INTRODUCTION first.]
And tonight’s winner is…
Detroit Underground. Congratulations you Motown making mofos!
Ok, so, the recurring problem in this week’s competition was tone. You probably often hear judges, musicians, audiophiles and most other self-professed, know-it-all types talk about tone when we/they talk about music. But you seldom hear it defined, so, for many, it is this intangible, ethereal concept that is often misunderstood.
So let’s talk about tone.
Where music is concerned, there are basically two definitions.
The first is that tone is a technical musical notation that, according to the Virginia Tech Music Dictionary, is “An interval of music consisting of two semi-tones that make a whole step.”
Or as I like to define it, “Bla bla bla.”
The second definition, and the one relevant to us, is, “The particular sound of an instrument or voice combined with the performer’s particular technique.”
With regard to musicianship or vocals, there are an infinite number of variables that form a player’s tone. From the brand and model of his instrument, to the gauge of his pick, to the circumference of his vocal chords, to the infinite possible ways the musician plays his instrument, to what he had for breakfast that morning – all contribute to a tone unique to only that player.
Your tone is your musical fingerprint, and there is no unanimity as to what is good and what is bad tone. It’s all, pretty much, a matter of taste.
And for my taste, RockSlyde, the evening’s first band, was in serious need of a tone makeover. At first it sounded like they were going to rock when they rolled out the opening snyth intro on Styx’s “Blue Collar Man.”
When the singer jumped in and sang, “Give me a job give me security…” it seemed like some top shelf rock and roll was going to happen. But it didn’t take long for the cracks in the vocal foundation to start showing. When they covered Journey’s “Anyway You Want It,” those vocal cracks became glaring. Ditto on REO Speedwagon’s, “Keep on Loving You,” and Boston’s, “Long Time.”
It’s not that he was a bad singer. He did manage to hit some difficult falsettos (missed a few too) but there was something about his tone that didn’t work for me. Admittedly, the other judges liked it, but for me it was nasally, tinny and stark.
Also, there were issues with the harmonies, mostly because they weren’t, um… harmonious. I’d say that’s a problem, especially because the songs they were covering were such harmony-heavy tunes (Boston, REO, Journey?!) It was not until INXS’ “New Sensation,” when it sounded pro, and that’s because the song was well in their range.
On the positive side, they were having fun and smiling and laughing and moving about, and that counts for a lot. I envision these guys thriving in local bar, where the bar-babes are cute, the booze is flowing, and nobody gives a damn about tone.
Haute Flash was instantly loveable. They are an all female band, most of them over 40, which makes their name utterly hilarious and appropriate. They came out in gaudy sparkly skirts, black fishnets, pink feathers in the bass player’s hair and sparkly scarves hanging from their mike stands. They were clearly there to have a good time.
The first two songs, “Lady Marmalade” and “Boogie Oogie” (sung by drummer and keyboardist respectively) were just ok. About half way through “Boogie Oogie,” Danielle leaned over and commented that they weren’t black enough to sing those songs. She wasn’t referring to skin color per se, rather, she meant tone. In this case, that powerful, loose, rhythmic, large-esophagused vocal tone most often attributed to certain sassy African-American hot mama vocalists.
I said to Danielle, “I dare you to say that on the microphone. I just dare you to say they weren’t ‘black enough’ for those songs.”
I was certain she wouldn’t do it, but to my shock and awe, when the set was over, and it was Danielle’s turn to speak, she commented that the first two songs were, “lacking blackness,” then added that it sounded, “… you know, kind of white, and stiff – no disrespect to us color challenged people.”
I totally agreed. Because, as soon as they moved beyond the funk/soul sister stuff, and into the country and classic rock, they began to shine like the crazy diamonds they are. The drummer sang Gretchen Wilson’s “All Jacked Up.” Then bass player, Sharon, known to most of us as Shaaron (with two A’s) for her prolific comments on this blog and tendency to foment conspiracy theories, came out and sang the vocally treacherous “White Rabbit” which was wonderful and frightening, just like Grace Slick intended. Next she banged out Janice Joplin’s “Piece of My Heart,” with a rich, raspy voice that was the polar opposite of the stark, tinny tone of the first singer.
After their set, Danielle leaned over and said, “You know what else I love about this band? Their name! Menopause is generally treated by society as a curse. For these women to call themselves Haute Flash takes serious ovaries.”
Agreed.
Next up was Rockandy and tone was just the beginning of their problems. They started off with B52s’ “Love Shack” and, while the Ric Ocasek-looking bass player did a great job on the Fred Schneider parts, the two girls who sang the beehive harmonies were too vocally sloppy to carry the song.
After that, the guitarist sang Tommy Tutone’s “867-5309/Jenny.” He was by far a better singer than the girls, though there was nothing interesting or gallant about his tone either, and he had projection problems, and some pitch problems. His guitar work was clean and tight but, again, more tone problems with that too. After “Jenny,” one of the beehive sisters sang The Donnas’, “Take it Off,”, which was weak, but at least not horrible. It didn’t get horrible until “Barracuda,” which, like so many songs that were attempted last night, was so far out of her range that it was ludicrous to even attempt. Really? Heart?? You could barely get through The Donnas’ tune, and now you’re trying to sing Ann Wilson? Wow. Not very smart, but, as Danielle might say, “That took ovaries whitey!”
Next was Rokken – a Dokken cover band. This was a difficult band for me to grade. Largely because I can’t stand Don Dokken. I hate his songs, I hate his lyrics, I hate his look, I hate his persona, I hate his name, I hate his band, I hate his band’s name, I hate his website, I hate his MySpace page, I hate his friends on his MySpace page, I hate his wife, I hate his dog, I hate his mother, I hate his car, I hate his house. But of all the things I cannot stand about Don Dokken it’s that high pitch, hyper-sustained, excessive tremolo-ing, overblown, overrated, erratic screechfest of a voice that never fails to send me running for the tool shed to find a screwdriver that I can drive into my eyeballs.
My conundrum was, the more that this singer sounded like Don Dokken, the more I would hate him. And he did, pretty much sound like Dokken, and I pretty much hated it, but, I vowed not to hold it against him, because that’s the job of a Dokken tribute band isn’t it? To sound like Dokken?
The whole performance actually got me to rethink the position I took so many weeks ago, that it didn’t matter if the judges didn’t like the band the tribute band happened to be tributing; it only mattered if they tributed them well.
But last night I got to thinking, what if there was a Screeching Weasels Being Beaten with a Stick tribute band? and what if they sounded exactly like a pack of weasels who were screeching because they were getting beaten by a stick? Should I give them a good score?
Hmm, we’ll have to explore that later I think
For now, it didn’t matter because I did not hold the Dokken voice against him – until he brought the Dokken voice over to the Queensryche song.
Being that I hate Queensryche almost as much as I hate Dokken, for him to get all “Dokkensryche” on us was, for me, a double dose of Hell’s hemlock pouring into my ear canals.
Even worse was when he brought the Dokken voice to my beloved Van Halen, and that was the last straw. I felt officially justified to hold the Dokken voice against him.
Another problem was that the singer was a little whiny onstage. He complained that only the local bands got love in this contest (I assume they’re an out-of-town band), and that, “It’s a homer’s game,” and also commented that, “If you’re not from San Diego you don’t get no love,” thereby creating yet another conspiracy theory to add to the list, The San Diego County Band Preference Conspiracy Theory (SDCBPCT).
Will it never end?
He was also quite cocky up there, which didn’t please Danielle and Alicia, but I didn’t mind so much. I figure the cock rock strut is appropriate in a Dokken Tribute band. However, you can’t have it both ways. You cannot be a whiny crybaby AND at the same time strut around stage like you’re the last cocksman left on the planet.
Bottom line is this: it has nothing to do with a homer conspiracy. It has to do with you. If you bring it; if you rock the house — they will have no choice but to love you. Whether you’re from San Diego, California or Hog Jaw, Arkansas – it’s all in your hands. Everything else is horseshit.
Last up was Detroit Underground, and I knew, right from the start, they had it won. They played Earth Wind and Fire’s “Sing a Song,” and it was all smiles and kisses at the judges’ table.
If there was any doubt after the first song that they were going to win, they followed that with “More Today than Yesterday,” and nailed it so perfectly that all they had to do from that point was to not play any Screeching Weasels Getting Beaten by a Stick covers and victory would be guaranteed.
They even managed to take my second most hate song of all time, “Kiss,” and turn it into a blast of awesomeness directly in the face. They just nailed it on all levels: Vocals, music, charisma, style, audience interaction, costumes, and yes, also, tone. From the vocalists, to the strings, to the wind – the whole damn thing was a tone-riffic orgy and a big part of the reason they won.
The girls agreed with me, and the three of us slathered them with praise and blessings, and it was really quite disgusting; so bad actually, that I had to take a shower when I got home because I felt dirty afterward. I’ll try not to do that again.
Edwin Decker
Judge #3
www.edwindecker.com








July 13, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Hey…There was a combo of friends, family and old band members. Between 2 Rockslyders (Cockslyde w/lubricant)
We had 30 peeps. And what was that I heard??? Ummm, excited, energetic yelling and screaming…Geez, what does it take, man…?? Most of mine are honest and would have done the clapity clap clap if they didn’t like it, just to be polite.
Ed…The crowd that was booing you, (we are porbably the only ones that remember that wonderful moment, shades of Randy th Dog) was in the Left Rear of the Bar…We had our peeps all in fornt front left and the entire right…Don’t know who the booers were…Probably the Meat Eater, the Main Man Pirhana and his little group secretly admiring….
Bring it on…Try intelligent bantor, Dude…Ohh…Never mind, just do what you do….We know you’re not a hater, not a player either…
Fletch…
July 14, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Hey Ed! You made it!! It’s still Monday! Glad to see you finally admit that a Tribute band can have influence over judging depending on if the judge happens to like/dislike the Tributee. You are learning!
Patti — pay no attention to what Gilbert said in last week’s blog. Haute Flash was OUTSTANDING!! Even Ed had to eat some of his words about how well we women can rock in this male’s arena. I don’t know how close the scoring was, but trust me that it had to have been extremely close. In fact, the audience participation for HF was above Detroit Underground’s. Was DU better? In my opinion… no…. equal. But you know how it is when equality is deemed equal in a heavily testosterone environment.
Shaaron — your blog entree on last week’s blog showed so much class! I knew you show the world how classy women can be in placing second. I would have expected nothing else. Like I said last night, had DU not been there in the same round as HF, we would be seeing you moving on to the semi-finals. I look forward to seeing you play more this Saturday.
So…. semi-finals are coming next week… First week should prove to be an all out fight to move on! Good luck to “Help!”, “6one9″, “Alice”, and “Monsters”. Rock on all….. bring your best!!
July 14, 2008 at 8:52 pm
Clearly from my reading of Ed’s blog, Rokken lost it’s “tribute immunity necklace” when it strayed from the Dokken library.
July 14, 2008 at 9:03 pm
While I think the right band won, I don’t agree with your vocal assessment of Detroit Underground. One of the judges did give a good critique of the bald headed lead vocalist who’s tone disappeared when he also went beyond his range. You seemed to have left that out. The harmonies were all good, but I would say the lead vocals were good, not great. The instruments were pretty impressive though.
The backup vocals for RockSlyde were hideous as was the guitar tone. They should stick to Nintendo Rock Band. They did have very impressive crowd support.
Haute Flash should bring their drummer out front to sing lead and get a drummer with better skills (dare I say balls). White Rabbit lacked the cool snare drum work and the key was obviously changed to make it easier to sing which just made it too loungy.
Rokken I think were better musically then they got credit for. Yeah, the singer needed some people skills, but some of his comments were obviously misunderstood as well. However, if you claim to be a Dokken tribute band, you should probably be sticking to Dokken.
Coleen,
You notice Ed didn’t say anything good or bad about Haute Flash. He was being nice. You could say they were all right for a bunch of old ladies, but they do not belong in the semi finals. Audience response counts for 20%. The worst of musicians can sometimes draw a crowd. I’m sure RockSlyde had the loudest crowd response. That doesn’t make them good. Now you’re just trying to start a Musicians With Balls Conspiracy Theory (MWBCT).
July 14, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Gilbert, We played “White Rabbit” in the key of F#, the same as the record. I have taken the Janis Joplin and Jefferson Airplane songs that I do to a more mature vocal tone, (also in the original keys) which I have tried to make less screechy and more listenable. I can do them just like the record, but most people tell me they think I sound just like the record, only better. I think the “better” is only because I try not to hurt ears. So if you think I made it easier to sing, thank you, I have done my job. Garrison’s drum work on the song is just like the record too. Go back to the original recording and take a listen!
July 14, 2008 at 10:12 pm
I’m tired of hearing about “Anger is a gift”. They didnt even play last night. Give us a gift and give it a fuckin break!
July 14, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Ed; Thank you for the nice things you said about my band and my voice! We had serious fun last night, and will take the constructive critique to heart, and work on the funky factor.
I had a bit of an advantage over the other singers in my band, as I did the last two songs, and had a chance to warm up. Danielle remarked that we had no pitch issues, and our harmonies were right on. I have to say that the stress of being judged by the three of you caused us to “tighten up” in ways boy bands will never know!
July 14, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Oh, and BTW Shaaron with 2 “As” is my real, on my birth certificate name, not just a blog tag.
July 14, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Hi Shaaron…I’m in a group with Richard Z.(Bass Guitar). Says he worked with you before. Small musical world sometimes.
Rockslyde keyboard guy…
July 14, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Gilbert, I actually did say something specific about the quality of HF. I said, at the very end of my comments, “You guys were great, good job,” or something to that effect.
The reason I did not spend the entire time talking about the quality of the band is because sometimes, and I’ve done it before, I like to include the band in some banter. I think it’s a much needed break from the “bla, bla, bla-ing” of the judges commentaries. Unfortunately, Shaaron clammed up on me and didn’t seem to want to chat, so it didn’t work out the way I wanted, but to suggest I was being nice to her because she’s a blog regular is absurd. I thoroughly enjoyed their set, as did the other judges, and the crowd, and had they sucked, I would most certainly have said so.
I agree with your take on Rokken musically. They were pretty good, especially the guitarist and drummer. The bass player was no slouch either. The singer’s comments were foolish and oafish though. You should never whine about how people don’t like you, or make excuses why they don’t like you, on stage, or even off stage for that matter.
And yes, while we did misunderstand his complaint about the swirly light sticks, but the point remains true. He was bitching about not getting the same amount of love from the crowd as the other bands. That’s just lame, even if it’s true.
Also, Gilbert, I remember when DU played last year, that they did have some minor pitch and tone issues periodically through the process. But for some reason, last night, I didn’t notice any. Maybe at that moment, brief as it surely must’ve been, I was concentrating on something else. There is, after all, a lot of things to observe in band that big.
Fletcher, oh c’mon, give me a break. You’re telling me that the thirty people you brought wouldn’t have applauded you if they didn’t like the set? With 20K on the line? Really? Look man, you’re right, I’m not a hater, and I didn’t hate your band. And the truth is, you guys are a million times greater than any band I could ever be in. But I’m judging you in the context of the other bands in this competition, and in that sense, you came up short. And that opinion was held by the other judges, the bar staff, and most of the people I talked to in the crowd who were not the 30 people you brought to the event.
Colleen, Colleen, Colleen – yer so silly sometimes. The number of people in any given band has no bearing on the judging. or the quality of said band.
Take a look at Rising Star, they had just as many people as DU had yet they lost to a 5 piece group. I have seen 2 and three piece bands that blow doors off of 10-15 piece ensembles, so that theory is whack. In fact, a large band could be a liability because more people = more moving parts = more chances to screw up.
Bottom line is, DU was the best last night. No excuses.
As for your tribute comments, you really have a way of mangling my points. Ah, still love ya though, despite the tiny tunnel your vision seems to be impaired by.
Dickie, I actually didn’t have a problem administratively with Rokken moving off the Dokken. However, as a strategic move, I think it was a mistake for the reasons pointed out in my blog. It was like Rokken, covering Dokken, covering Queensrych.
But for band ethics purposes, hey, they can play whatever they heck they want to play and call themselves whatever they heck they want to call themselves. All I ask is that your BRING IT!
July 15, 2008 at 12:54 am
Ed, you took me by surprise when you asked if my “homework” made me make any changes to our set. Yes, it did. We shortened two of the songs to make them fit into the time restraints. We added a two measure bass solo in Boogie Oogie. The purpose was to impress the judges with “ovaries”, not being afraid to put it out there. . We worked on our clothes. I was very nervous about wearing the feathers. We did not want to fall in to the trap of looking like hookers, as Danielle said, we didn’t look like the common image of females in bands. We chose our songs very carefully. We wanted to demonstrate a range of ability. Although the first two songs were not as strong as the last three on this set, they are usually very strong. We just took some time finding our comfort zone.
I think the most important thing I learned was to keep the stage volume down, and let the sound crew do their job. By keeping the stage volume down, we had no problems hearing the monitors. I also made a set list, and noted who sang each song, for the light crew. That way they didn’t have to guess where the spot was to be.
I also watched you judge the other bands. I saw the looks on your faces when a band was really bad, or when you loved it. Last night when I saw the three of you standing up and dancing, my only thought was enjoy it now, because when Detroit Underground plays, it’s over for Haute Flash.
Gilbert; Detroit Underground kicked ass! They won, and they won big! Haute Flash did the best we could, and we have no regrets or embarrassment about our performance. We are getting enquiries of our availability for gigs, and we are hoping and expecting the casino will use us on a regular basis. This contest has opened several doors for us.
Fletcher; I have not been in a band with your bass player. He knows another bass player that was in Haute Flash, when we first got together. She played some keyboard, and bass in a few songs which allowed me to play some guitar.
Knowing that Rock Slyde had to replace both their bassist and guitarist, and had only 4 rehearsals to put together their set, I say good job!
July 15, 2008 at 1:43 am
Congrats to the DU on the big win, a lot of great words being said about your ensemble, sorry I missed it.
Hey UMC observer!
You watch your fuken mouth when you speak in here! there are women(talented at that) in this blog. haha! “PUNK!” and by the way no one even mentioned “Anger” in this weeks blog until you did dumbsh!t. Either you lost to them or your friends did, or could it be you caught last nights show and people were still talking about their performance from week 5.
Remember this: catch them on the 27th and boo them all you want and you’ll still be helping them advance, the meter thrives on any sound, so cut your cry baby horse manure! I’ll be looking for the quite dude when it comes time to show appreciation after their set! ssssshhhh… there he is! Hater!
July 15, 2008 at 1:53 am
quite dude! for all the ed-it-ors in this mug! lates
July 15, 2008 at 1:54 am
quiet dude! Third times a charm!
July 15, 2008 at 7:34 am
First, I would like to say all of us in the band had a very fun time up on the big stage! Ed, now that I have had a taste of playing in a big venue, I am committed to fine tuning the band’s vocal arrangements (backing & leads) and proceeding in the opposite direction of dive bars. The judge’s constructive critizisms were no suprise to us and still well recieved. Thank you! Here is some clarification but in no way excuses, we realize all the bands are judged on an even playing field.
We knew going into this we were going to get dinged on backing vocals for sure! I set the bar too high with these songs especially in regards to only having a few rehearsals with the new members of the band. With that said, in defense of my new guitarist & Bassist, who are seasoned players, had they been given a more simplistic set list to learn (1 week), I think they would have been able to concentrate more on backing vocals and stage presence. I’m to blame for the song selection being to high mantenance. As for Jim, my lead vocalist, he stepped up his stage presence Sunday night and I’m pleased with that! Most of our other songs are more in his range so I am not worried about his capabilities hence our version of “New Sensation”. My new Keyboardist Chris pulled it off and one of the judges referred to him as a Michael McDonald look a like. Perhaps we will do some Doobies. I thought for sure I would have been dinged on meter or something, I recieved some good feedback by the judges. It was a total suprise to me and definitely well recieved! Thank you.
I keep hearing that we had recieved alot of crowd response and some even said we might have had the biggest crowd response. Well we must have tapped into something good for the crowd because I don’t think all the applause was coming from just the small group of people we had brought. Again, Thanks and good luck to all the bands that moved forward. I look forward to attending the semi final round.
July 15, 2008 at 8:23 am
fletcher, what does it take? Talent. Crowd is only 20% thank goodness or you would have won.
Shaaron, to suggest you were did the songs better than Grace Slick and Janis Joplin just goes to show your arrogance exceeds your ability which is why you’ll remain average instead of reaching your potential. I do actually think you have potential. By making it “easier” I meant it seemed like you either changed the key or tuned up the guitars a half step to avoid hitting the lower register Grace Slick has. But you have a way of turning anything into a compliment, so you’ll probably break your arm patting your self on the back with this one.
I know Detroit Underground kicked your ass big time, that’s why I said it wasn’t close. And I don’t think any of the bands were so bad that they can’t get a gig somewhere. You can be proud, but at times to me you seem as cocky as any of the others.
Ed, I didn’t mean to imply “why” you were being nice, just seemed like you were. I didn’t think any of the bands were beyond criticism.
July 15, 2008 at 9:26 am
umc observer i think you might be using your anger… as a gift perhaps.
July 15, 2008 at 10:18 am
Ed — WHAT?!?!? I have no idea what you are talking about! I never said ANYTHING in regards to how many members were in a band!! Talk about tunnel vision! You, my dear must be the one w/ tunnel vision! I have read and re-read my blog and I’m seeing anything with regards to one band having more members having an edge. I have ALWAYS said that bigger is not necessarily better!!
Gilbert, Gilbert, Gilbert — you say that there is a MWBCT, that is NOT a new theory… Shaaron brought up that theory much earlier with her ABBCT. It’s probably hard for you to understand that the two theories are the same, because we women can express ourselves in a much more classy manner. There— the “ball’s” in your court!
Rockslyde D.– yes! Performing on the big stage is VERY satisfying! (In this case bigger might be better) If you get the chance to work on a large stage again, spread out and use the entire stage! It’s an awesome experience. You guys did a very good job though. I was remembering when you were playing that you had little time to bring it all together as a band unit. I feel that had you more time to practice together, the “play” off one another would have made you an even better band. Congratulations for the work you did (yes Rokken it is a lot of work!). You came close to the top-notch skills of HF in a short amount of time.
July 15, 2008 at 10:19 am
Shaaron – Um, while I did enjoy your set very much, I did not stand up and dance. I’m pretty sure Danielle and Alicia didn’t either. It seems you did learn a lot. Talking to the light man was genius
Honest Schmoe – for the record, it should be noted that there actually was a mention of Anger is a Gift this week. Every week a guy named Patrick comes on and posts “anger is a gift” multiple times on the blog. He does it on nights they don’t play, and he never talks about the bands that do play. He just writes “Anger is a Gift” over and over and I have decided to start deleting the posts. If you want to be part of the discussion, cool, come on in. If you want to spam us, move along please.
Rockslyde – Keep up the good work. You’ve got some foundations there you can really build on. I like your attitude too.
Gilbert – no bands are “beyond criticism” but that doesn’t mean I’m going to criticize every band. I didn’t criticize DU either. I just figured that I really didn’t have much to say that wasn’t already going to be said about HF, and that I wanted to do something different. Like the musicians on stage, I think it’s very important to mix it up, if you want to keep the crowd with you. And believe me, every week when the judges are “commenting,” I can hear the background chatter in the room. And if the judges talk too long, the chatter gets louder. They lose interest quick, which is why I keep my comments short, and also, try to make them fun and interesting. I thought some banter with HF would do that.
July 15, 2008 at 10:24 am
I must be going crazy Colleen. I thought for sure you said something to that effect. Maybe it was somebody else. I’ll have to go back and look now. But, my apologies go to you…
July 15, 2008 at 10:37 am
edwin, fair enough. Your comments actually make sense.
colleen, whatever, pardon me for not studying 8 weeks of posts more closely. I think your beer goggles have affected you musical taste.
July 15, 2008 at 10:52 am
Shaaron,
Just an observation, all that David/Goliath talk before Sunday night brought you down. What ever you do has no effect on DU only yourself. My humble advice is you rock! F**k DU and everybody else, they aren’t your Goliath. Law of attraction baby.
July 15, 2008 at 11:05 am
Congrats to Detroit Underground. You guys definitely looked and sounded pro.
I’m looking forward to the semi this Sunday. Queensrÿche is usually one of our biggest crowd pleaser’s. Hmmm, what to do… maybe a Motown version of Queensrÿche
July 15, 2008 at 11:40 am
Gilbert — don’t come into this pool if you haven’t done your homework! No beer goggles here… my taste is a bit more high end…. Merlot fine wine perhaps! You and Ed need to come out of the tunnel and into the light so you can see musical expertise when it slaps you in the face!! JK
Tom — “a Motown version of Queensrÿche ” hmmmm might be fun to hear! Might require yet another wig. The Wig Conspiracy Theory (WCT)!
July 15, 2008 at 11:54 am
Colleen, you’re like a homeless wino insisting that Thunderbird is the top shelf whilst I sip my microbrew.
July 15, 2008 at 11:54 am
Gilbert; It is very hard to remain professional, and not bitchy responding to your posts. I am trying to be kind to your constant baiting. (It appears that you are a master baiter).
Read carefully; I have been doing Janis and Grace for a very long time. I have been the Janis in a tribute show. I have been paid nicely for doing the Janis stuff. I have chosen to mellow out the tone to make it more ear friendly to audiences who are used to the better recordings of the present, and to our age advancing generation. It keeps me working. It keeps me getting studio work. It keeps me getting comments from people like Ed, who called my voice “rich and raspy”.
Your attempts of insulting me and my band are immature, show a lack of class, and sometimes a lack of knowledge.
Whether you liked us or not, we put on a clean show. We played the parts like the recordings, we didn’t use foul language, we dressed in a classy and fun style, we sang on key, we had a blast. We were also beat by a better band. We knew going into the set that we didn’t have a snowball’s chance to beat DU. But we tried, and the David and Goliath talk was to give us some hope. Nothing is impossible.
July 15, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Haute flash has a new web site. (The old site is agent friendly) http://www.hauteflash.net
July 15, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Oops, guess I pushed a button Shaaron. A professional can accept criticism. I see that anyone who doesn’t praise you has no class or knowledge. I’ll stay away from your bubble from now on so it doesn’t burst.
July 15, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Gilbert; I’m sorry if I came off too hard on you. To be honest, I remembered some of the nasty things Gern was saying from last week’s post , and remembered them as comments from you. But you did comment that you thought we were “in drag”, our song list looked like “gay anthems r us”, that we “didn’t suck too much”, obviously changed key in White Rabbit to make it easier to sing, and called us “a bunch of old ladies”. I can take criticism, but the insults are getting old. My bubble is tough, blog on, please.
July 15, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Hey all!
Brian from the rage wannabees here!
Saw all the crazyness up on the board here and I just want all to know we cant control what some people say in here but we are here to just play and hopefully get some good marks. Not mud-sling!!!!!! So any fans that go too wild, ?, please dont hold it against us. It’s out of our control. I guess thats all. We are very excited to play on the 27th.
Everyone take good care until then. Then your in our hands!
Peace in the Middle East,
Comrade Murphy-A.I.A.G.
July 15, 2008 at 1:07 pm
By the way, I was hoping someone would mention the photo I took of Haute Flash. Isn’t that shot awesome? The flash of white hot light coming from behind the girls. Did anyone get the joke?
Talk about a Hot flash.
July 15, 2008 at 1:14 pm
http://musicchallenge2.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/haute.jpg
July 15, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Ed; I did see the picture of Haute Flash, the first thing I said to the rest of the band when we got the judges comments was, “OMG, did you see the picture? It’s beautiful!!!” And, I look thinner! We would like to get permission to use it on our web sites.
I did see the judges stand during our set. Were you just stretching?
July 15, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Yes Ed… awesome.
July 15, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Stretching? all three judges at the same time? I don’t think so Shaaron. I think it’s more likely that I was looking for my drink, or trying to order another one. I know I wasn’t dancing though, cuz I don’t dance, unless I’m drunk, and on a dance floor, somewhere in the middle where nobody can see me – certainly not at a judges table, for the whole world to witness how little rhythm I actually have.
Is it possible, Shaar, that you were having one of those pesky hot flashes you ladies speak about and it made you have hallucinations?
Oh, and yes Shaaron, use that picture however you want.
e.
July 15, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Shaaron, the drag comments were in response to Mistress Of The Dark who made a crack at someone else about joining a gay metal band. It was just poking fun. If I was wrong about the key of the song, I stand corrected. Hug hug kiss kiss.
July 15, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Ed; Dare I ask? Would you please list the scoring and decibel readings of this weeks bands?
July 15, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Gilbert; Thanks. Hugs back. You were wrong about the key, but it’s a fact that all singers do find the right key for whatever song is being sung. Also, as I get older, I find that I sometimes have to lower the keys when I can’t get the higher notes. The bottom range is not t problem
July 15, 2008 at 2:54 pm
WOW!! Haute Flash rocked!! I thought Garrison’s voice (drummer) was great as well as Shaaron’s. These women can sing any song and it sounds good. They sang with so much feeling. Made me get up off my … and dance. I really enjoyed them and will look forward to seeing them again.
July 15, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Ed,
I’m not really sure what Don Dokken ever did to you to piss you off so badly, but please take into account that I’m not Don Dokken nor do I think that I’m Don Dokken or any other ‘real’ rocker. If I’ve given that impression it was sorely unintentional. I’m comfortable that everyone reading has a fairly good indication of how you feel about the frontman from ROKKEN (I didn’t use singer ‘cause I’m still bleeding from Sunday’s slam, lol). Though I may be overly sensitive here I kind of feel like you have taken more than a critic’s position and moved on to an unnecessary disliking of me, personally. In any case, despite your obvious hatred of all things DOKKEN (or just me) related, I’ll deservedly absorb your ‘on point’ criticism of the lack of crowd respect for which I was correctly drilled and make sure not to make that mistake again. How I ever thought that calling a crowd ‘homers’ would get them to react positively perplexes even me at this point. But at the time it was simply meant as a challenge to the audience to keep an open mind and appreciate us for what we were (an apple in a bushel of oranges that night) and not hold back any enthusiasm due to the ‘friendship’ factor. Is that a potential conspiracy theory to add to the list?
At days end it was just supposed to be a good time and despite the shots I took that night and continue to take post performance , from you on this blog, it was just that; fun.
I can’t apologize enough for the misunderstanding on the lighting issue. Not just because it obviously started an avalanche of anger related responses, which unduly penalized my incredibly talented band mates, but because it also may have offended some very hard working professionals at Viejas. That was absolutely never my intention. However, I do appreciate the fervor with which you all raose to the defense of your team. That is nothing short of commendable.
To that end let me be very clear here. Everything at Viejas was top notch from the word go. Casey and his stage crew were helpful, attentive and professional. We had about 60 seconds of video before we were informed that we couldn’t record and the lighting was indeed phenomenal as stated. The sound system was fantastic. Most of the bands were incredibly supportive and we met some great folks during our first trip into San Diego. Unfortunately for me, like the judges we faced on Sunday evening reacted to my comments on stage, I lost my cool backstage when one of the musicians from another act casually dismissed us as ‘the filler’ for the night. Defensiveness can be such a bad personality trait. (I normally leave that to our bass player who for the record hates Dokken as well, lol). But as the lone member of our act to actually follow this blog and despite my best efforts I was instantaneously swept up in the conspiracy theory at the utterance of that comment .
Additionally, I accept the accountability of changing the set up to try and be more diverse. It was done on the fly just in case nobody there ever heard of Dokken or may have been a Dokken hater. Seems it wouldn’t have worked out either way and that’s a shame. Go figure, could I have put together a series of more critical mistakes? We go on as a band one of the impartial judges hates, move away from the hated band to another odium in Queensryche and then an apparent ‘butchering’ of the one favorite of that same judge. Wow! A trifecta! It was such a cavalcade of errors that I had to just smile at things on the long ride home. I wasn’t done yet though.
I cannot remember the judge’s names but after meeting a couple of them briefly following our 20 minutes I was surprised to find them much warmer than their initial disposition. To the judge who I actually asked for a public apology on the lighting issue; I had no right asking for that, it was unacceptable. pushy and unprofessional for me to do so and I apologize. I wonder, though, if I had been afforded the opportunity to explain the misunderstanding, real time, if the ensuing critiques might have had a little softer edge. People can be very testy when they feel wronged. In any case, even though you were more than gracious in disclosing your intentions to do so, no further comments are needed on my part from you as you expressed yourself to me clearly that night. It’s all good. I Hope?
I’m somewhat perplexed by the cocky or arrogant comments as anyone who knows me would never use that as a descriptor. If anything I’m quite the opposite, introverted. However, it is more of a rock show/concert we try to emulate and that being the case I feel that if that‘s the air I exude when onstage then it’s probably a good thing. Fortunately, you remained consistent and my apparent ‘cockiness’ didn’t push you past the point of no return in your search for the proverbial eye gauging screwdriver. Perhaps that’s due to your admiration for Van Halen, who sport perhaps rocks most ‘cocky’ performer in DLR? Could’ve used a little help with the girls on that one though, Ed.
Still, my guess is that anyone there who was a true 80’s rock fan enjoyed ROKKEN and would come back to see us in the proper environment.
And yes, you did pick the right winner, IMHO, as DU was impeccable, polished and Rokk solid (yeah, I know Ed hates the incorrect spelling but I couldn’t help it). I can’t fault anyone for the loss except myself and don’t think that DOKKEN themselves would’ve beaten DU that night given the platform.
I thank Viejas and all of the judges for the opportunity and the learning experience. That which does not kill me will only make me stronger, so I’ll hide the screwdrivers, take my stage ‘pajamas’ and head into the next experience that much the better.
I apologize to any who find my response distasteful and look forward to the next flame fest.
Sean
July 15, 2008 at 3:10 pm
I was reading the blog today and honestly expecting all the “boy” drummers to have something to say about a girl drummer. It actually wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be. It’s never easy to hear that you aren’t a good musician and your voice is thin..However I have learned to have a thick skin so those comments make me smile. My awful drumming and thin voice have paid my rent for the last 10 years. DU was amazing and I was honored to be in the same room with them. I was also overjoyed to meet all the great musicians in San Diego. This contest was fun and stressful but it didn’t define me. This is going to sound bitchy but I am almost to the hot flash age, if anyone thinks they can sing Lady Marmalade and play the drums at the same time, I will pass you the mic and the drumsticks! xoxo
July 15, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Now that the first rounds of the compition is over I’d like to congratulate GOOD MOJO on being the winners of having the most fans turn out and DANCE to thier entire set. Coming in second is Haute Flash (awesome touch at having those “whirly light things”). And third place goes to Detroit Underground (even with adding one from the stage
)!
Shaaron — Danielle was standing up and applauding at the end of your set. All three judges were smiling and keeping time to the music throughout the set and all three were applauding and smiling at the end of the set too (including Ed).
Ed — admit it! The ladies rocked the room!
July 15, 2008 at 3:36 pm
well yes, of course I admit that I was smiling and head-bopping and all that stuff. I throughly enjoyed it. But let’s be honest. It was clearly a fluke that an all-girl band did so well because everybody knows women can’t rock. Even women know that. There will be always be exceptions of course, Haute Flash being one, Kathy Lee Gifford being the other (have you heard her new album? it rocks!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes it’s true, I’m sorry to be the one to say it, but women are much better off doing the things they are a little more suited for, like fetching my beer, and saying how big and strong I am all the time.
but music? well, they should leave the rock/roll to the fellas!
July 15, 2008 at 3:42 pm
oh, P.S….
First place, DU
Second place HF
Third place, Rokken
Fourth place, Rockslyde
Fifth Place, Rockandy
Audience response (Decibel reading)
First place, HF
Second place, DU
Third place, Rokken
Fourth, RockSlyde
Last, Rockandy
July 15, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Ed, Thanks for the breakdown. Our fans were wonderful! The light sticks and LED fans were very fun! (I’m glad they didn’t think of air horns though). I also have to say that our fans are always supportive! We can count on them at all our gigs! And, we really appreciate the support of the women! My advice to other girls and women in bands; Don’t be too sexy. The women don’t like it, and they will not want their men to follow the band.
Congratulations to Detroit Underground. They have always been fantastic, and for my money, the best band in town! When they were added to our week, we practiced more and tried harder, which only made us tighter! Hopefully, next year we won’t have to compete with them on the first round. It might give us a chance to be the 2nd place winner in the finals!
Egos and arrogance aside; We are all blessed that we have talent, and we can make money doing something so fun!
thank you all!
Shaaron Schuemaker, Haute Flash
July 15, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Congratulations Shaaron, I think you’ve surpassed the Anger is a Gift commercials. Ha ha.
July 15, 2008 at 4:50 pm
I saw Good Mojo and I’m sorry Colleen, 6one9 had the best fan audience. I know because they beat us like the pieces of meat we are. (JumpStart)
…just going with the inuendo analogies from JV.
July 15, 2008 at 6:50 pm
OK, Ed.
You have tweaked my rock and roll soul. You’re so big and strong and hansom. If I could hand you a beer I would. So, another name mutilation would be “Haute Fluke”?
Dave, I met your singer at Humphries for a Candye Kane benefit. She sat in with the jam band, and was awesome! Tell her I said “hi”.
Tom; Sorry, I’m just having fun. This is my first blog, and yes, I’m out of control.
July 15, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Dave, yes 6one9 did have a large fan base, but I’m talking about the fans who actually went out and danced from note#1 of song#1 to the end of the set. Good Mojo’s fans outshined all others!! Many bands had fans come out onto the dance floor, but few had people actually dance!
But the contest was to discover the best COVER band… not the best DANCE band. Personally, I think a good cover band can deliver both to a fan base that likes to sit and listen AND at the same time provide dance music too. DU definately delivers that……… as does Good Mojo!! And Haute Flash!!! And…. I will admit 6one9 does too.
Oh….BTW…… 6one9 was my choice to win that night too. No offense to JumpStart… the effort was there.
July 15, 2008 at 8:45 pm
Hey Ed,
Thanks for the picture, 95% of the time when our band is photographed I’m usually stuck behind the horn section on my regular keyboard and blocked out completely, thus I really do appreciate it………B.
July 15, 2008 at 11:30 pm
DU was a great band, no doubt. They played songs I would never listen to on my own (I am in a metal band after all) but I enjoyed them due to their “flawless” renditions. Great job DU, the win was clearly yours. However, the one band that I would go out of my way to see again is Haute Flash. Not only did I think they’re very tallented (not just for girls, but regardless of gender) they put on a performance that was fun to behold. Theyb too played songs I would never listen to on a regular basis, but they made the songs their own.
Unfourtunately I missed AIG, and I hear they were great, but that being the case, of all the bands I’ve seen so far, HF was my fave. But hey, that’s just my opinion, don’t kill me if you don’t agree.
July 16, 2008 at 1:20 am
Sergio; Thanks! I would love to see you at a Haute Flash gig. Check out the web site and see if any gigs fit your availability. FYI Three of the HF gals are teachers too. (fashion design, music and a sub). Funny, I have not liked metal, but after hearing you guys, I have changed my mind. You will see me at a Monsters gig for sure!
July 16, 2008 at 1:21 am
Dear Sean (AKA Ed Hates ME), thanks for your thoughtful missive. Let me start by saying that I soooooo do not hate you. Yes, I was hard on you with regard to the stuff you complained about on stage, but please do not equivocate that with hate or even a mild dislike. The total honest truth is that I actually thought you were cool. And for goodness sakes no, my hatred for Don Dokken does not translate to a hatred for the Don Dokken tribute singer. I don’t even hate Don Dokken that much. I was just trying to be funny. I do hate his voice, and I do hate his lyrics, but for all I know, his dog might be the friendliest pup around. And his house is probably way cool. And his wife? well shit, I don’t even know if he’s married. I actually tried to research that before posting, but couldn’t get a definitive answer online, but i went with it anyway, because, fuck it, it was a joke.
So no, I did not assume “more than a critic’s position and moved on to an unnecessary disliking of” you, although it should be noted that one of the things a singer/musician/artist does is emote his inner self to the crowd so it is not necessarily outside the critic’s purview to comment on his personal dislike for a given performer.
That being said, I have a lot of respect for you. And if you remember, during my judges’ comments, I told you, that I WAS being harsh, and that I DID have respect for you and your band, and that you were not as bad as my commentary suggested.
Also, nobody understands better than I do what it feels like to do something on stage, or in the public eye, that you regret and can’t understand why you did it in the first place, and I have no doubt in my mind that you will never complain about audience response on stage again, which is to your merit. You seem like a person who takes criticism well and learns from it.
Furthermore, you need not apologize for the lighting issue. Your comments, as you explained on stage, were not directed at the light crew, they were directed at the swirly glow stick people, which, while still in my mind a mistake to say, was not a dig on the light crew and, we judges profusely apologized for misunderstanding you. We’re not perfect either, and I rue the day, if it ever comes, when, after we make comments about the band, another set of ombudsman judges makes comments about us.
It’s a tough gig Sean, for you, for the judges, for the house – everyone’s a complainer and I’m probably the king of the complainers – but that’s my role, and I try to make it fun.
as for your cocky performance, I think i made it clear that I’m totally down with that, when appropriate, and for Dokken music, certainly it was. But I stand by my comment that you can’t have it both ways (i.e. whiny and cocky) but that’s water under the bridge now. Bottom line, I was entertained by you and your band, i just didn’t like it that much. Does that make sense? AND, I would sit down and tip back a beer with you, or seven, any day of the week. True story.
Ed (AKA, Ed Doesn’t Hate You)
July 16, 2008 at 8:38 am
Hey Sean, I enjoyed your set. I was looking forward to hearing songs like Into The Fire or In My Dreams, but I was still up front rocking with you. You even gave us a plug, so you must be a cool guy!
July 16, 2008 at 9:27 am
C’mon…is everyone that deaf? DU butchering of Stevie Wonder has my head spinning! Is it the Ultimate Cheese Challenge ? The horns just don’t fit in every song. New song choice my friends. The obsequiousness of this blog is sickening me.
July 16, 2008 at 9:50 am
The Semi’s this week are gonna be off the chart! Soooooo many fans getting charged up to support their favorite bands. (Shameless plug for Monsters of Rock and 619).
I AM coming to a Haute Flash gig and I’m bringing the girls. And guys, here’s a clue for those of you too dense to get this, you should head to their gigs because, aside from being a great band, they drawn WOMEN (and you’ll have a better shot – if ya know what I mean) unlike some of the heavier metal bands that most women can’t deal with. And PLEASE don’t give me grief about this guys… you KNOW I’m right. When you go and see true METAL bands the people out on the floor are mainly guys waving their arms, singing along with a beer in their hand.
See you all on SUNDAY ~ let’s totally pack the joint!
July 16, 2008 at 10:19 am
Shaaron,
Yes, JB is awsome. I will tell her you said hi.
…and speaking of Humphrey’s
:::prepare for shameless plug:::
The night before the Finals check out JumpStart for the early show 6-8 followed by… Detroit Underground!
Saturday July 26th at Humphrey’s by the Bay.
See y’all Sunday.
July 16, 2008 at 10:54 am
The softer side of Ed. Now there’s a cat I’d look forward to tipping some suds with. Thanks again for the stage tips and yes, I’ll bank it and get better.
Tom,
There’s no place in me for thinking we’re better than anybody else so giving a plug to you guys for getting a win seemed like the right thing to do. You earned it, right? And talk about cool, you guys are sitting right up front cheering your competition on. Now that’s cool.
Hindsight being 20/20 and all, those are exactly the two songs I pulled from the set to cement our loss by replacing them with Jet City, etc. We’ll be rooting for our rocker brothers so knock ‘em dead.
Also, Eddie from Metal Brigade drove over to party with us too. See, that’s one of the great things about these opportunities. The people. I know that I’m better off just for the experience, so add on the new friendships gained and it’s win, win all the way around!
Ed (Decker), I’m guessing your a Jagermeister or Guiness type guy but for all of my ‘cockiness’ I’m a wimpy Corona lightweight. It’s still good, I just get happy, quicker, for less money. Lol. So set ‘em up and let the slurring begin!
BTW, one last note. Haute Flash drummer? Bomb from the get go. Opening with real strong vocals and simultaneous chops. Very solid.
Wish I didn’t live 90 minutes away because I’m sure the next two weeks will be a real hoot.
Sean
July 16, 2008 at 11:49 am
I’d like to thank Shaaron, Sergio and everyone else for the kind words & props. given to D.U.
Shaaron, HF is the best all female group I’ve heard live. Keep up the good work, keep growing and keep going.
Now Sergio, I’m on the other side of the fence when it comes to you. I presently perform with several different groups in town playing everything from classic rock, reggae, blues, etc., with r&b, soul and funk being my favorite. I’ve never touched Metal mainly because I don’t think there’s much keyboards in Metal anyways, please correct me if I’m wrong. But I had a chance to here Monsters of Rock when I competed with you and your group won, I was very impressed. You guys represented, the dual guitar licks were awesome and you lead vocalist was off the hook. Good luck to your group this Sunday.
(OBTW) I was the keyboardist for The Corvelles on the Sunday we competed.
July 16, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Hey Ed, I’m the Sax player with DU and I want to thank you guys (and girls) for doing your thang (which I’m sure isn’t always as fun and glamorous as it seems…heh) and for all the great comments we received from you. I must say, after hearing comments from earlier that evening (yikes), it was tempting to combine drinking with several popular prescription medications before going on stage. Luckily that wasn’t necessary and instead we just decided to do what we do and had a blast doing it. Just one suggestion….In the next rounds It would be cool to hear something like “In order to win this thing, you guys need to…..” Thanks again and see you at the semi’s
Hey B.Battle….Who’s that guy front and center and looking cooler than everyone else on our web site?? And are you suggesting the trumpet player is too tall??
July 16, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Guinness!! Bah! I spit out Guinness and flop around in the puddle. And Boddingtons is Boddingcrap. And Blue Moon is Gruel Moon. And you can take your Full Sails and Yellow Tails and Sierra and Stone Pale Ales and pour them in the toilet. Karl Strauss is Karl Gross. Sam Adams = Sam Blandams.
Miller Lite baby. Miller Effin Lite. I can drink a hundred of them, and still drive 90mph through school zones.
Corona T’aint band, provided you sufficiently kill the amoebas with some citric acid, and I do like my German beers. But when some serious beer drinking needs to be done, I’ll take Miller product any day.
Also, Jager is ok, but it’s Rumplemintz or Tequila for me these days, depending on my mood.
Where do you live Sean?
July 16, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Thanks to Colleen & Shaaron for your encouraging words. I also wanted to mention that I also thought HF did a great job too! Sounded Great!
Since everyone is adding shameless plugs, I figured I would join in! You can catch Rockslyde @ Hooleys.com every month including Halloween night at the brand new location @ Grossmont center. We will also be playing before the Padre game (09-13) @ Petco Park and again after the game at Hennessey’s in Gaslamp.
We have some awesome Rockslyde pics from the Viejas show on our website too! I have access to great photos of all the bands that night so let me know if your interested in them and I will let that person know.
See you all at the semi finals & good luck to all the bands!
July 16, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Johnny, in order to win this thing, you guys need to…
Fire the sax player.
HAHAHAHA.
I kill myself sometimes.
Kidding aside, bottom line is, I don’t even know what you need to do to win this thing because I don’t know what the other bands are gonna do. You just have to beat them, you know, not me. I will say this, though, keep it tight, keep it exciting – but try to find a way to bring it to another level. That might be difficult because you are already such a top notch ensemble. Perhaps a cover of something in a different genre, some new choreography, something to excite the band as much as it does the audience.
July 16, 2008 at 1:56 pm
…a thousand comedians out of work…heh. OK….I may have left myself open for that one. I actually mean’t that statement not for you to answer about us now (although that was cool), but for general comments after each band’s performance. I’m sure the other groups would appreciate it as well.
July 16, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Eddie,
I’m Southern Orange County born and bred. Easiest reference point is Mission Viejo, Laguna Hills area. (Can you see the silver spoon jutting out my cranium?)Actually, right next to Coto De Caza and the real housewives of Orange County dramatics. Everything and everyone around me is silicone enhanced, botox tight and fake and baked out. It’s a marvel. You think the band competition is hot? This is a whole nother level, lol.
From where do you hail, stud?
Sean
July 16, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Hey Johnny Rano,
I agree with Ed and I’m gonna let Jack know about your short trumpet player comment. You know you’re in trouble now!
July 16, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Ed, you big strong, handsome, sensative man….. can’t wait til Sunday when I can FETCH a beer on you, I mean for you……………………… hehehehehehehehe… be scared, be very scared………………
You cetainly do entertain yourself! I agree with you in your “advice” to Johnny, but like to add to it by saying you guys have everything you need already. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!
These semi-finals and finals are looking like they are going to be so much better than last year! Lots of talent, lots of genres. Only problems though is that the ABBCT is still 99% intact. DU… thanks for providing a smidgen of estrogen to the mix! Girl… you’ve got a lot of pressure on your shoulders! It’s up to you to show these boys that females can rock and still bring them to their knees with just a smile!!!
July 16, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Colleen, the only role for women in rock and roll is to be songwriting fodder about all the nasty things we want to do to them.
Sean, I grew up in New York state, about an hour north of NYC, and moved to San Diego in 1984. Been living in Ocean Beach (OB), which is a small beach borough in San Diego which is part hippy, part surfer, part artist community, which is the antithesis of OC.
Johnny, I’ll try and be more communicative about that sort of thing.
July 16, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Ed, I think you finally stepped over the line! Karl Gross? These wounds will take some time to heal.
July 16, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Ed… so true about songwriting fodder. The only things offering more fodder are the males of whom I’ve written many, many songs about! Especailly big and strong ones. Especially the ones who need to beer fetched on them… I mean for them….
Sean — thanks for asking Ed from where he hails… now I understand!
July 16, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Ed; Writing about all the nasty things guys want to do to the girls? Well, I’m not exactly Frank Zappa, but I do have a few ideas from the distaff side. Just think of it this way, do you really want a woman to just take it? Or, would you rather she rock you too?
BTW My hubby (Dick, with one “i”) drinks MGD. I put a fridge in the garage, just so he doesn’t have to walk too far.
July 16, 2008 at 4:11 pm
You keep your hubby in the garage?
July 16, 2008 at 4:56 pm
What, no one is going to touch the “one i dick” comment from shaaron?
July 16, 2008 at 6:35 pm
Ed,
Is that the west coast Greewich Village? Gotta be great with all the free liberal, sun-tanned, young, open minded young surf maidens flaunting about? Well, if you’re into that sort of thing. HA!
Sean
July 16, 2008 at 7:16 pm
I think Sean is correct about the hard working crew, but think it may be an idea (good or bad) to do mic checks. It can’t help pitch, but it sure can help tone…
Even the very, very good bands had some over mic’d back up…Might have helped us all, not just thinking defensively here…
July 16, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Hello Everyone, I am the drummer for Roc Kandy,
Even before we performed last Sunday night, I had been formulating some thoughts about this contest and would like to share them with you:
For the contest in general, it never ceased to amaze me week after week, that the bloggers were pummeling the judges for the fact that Tribute bands and bands that play regularly at the Dream Catcher Lounge were allowed into the contest. The judges had nothing to do with those decisions. Joseph or whomever else from Viejas made those rules and I agree they do not match the spirit of what I or many other people felt fell under the parameters of a “Cover Band Contest”. My fiancé said next year, Viejas should rename it, “Any Non-Original Band Who Has Ever Played Anywhere Contest” and at least it would match some of the bands they are choosing to compete.
As to the judge’s critique of us last week, I now know what it feels like to be used as a human piñata. We certainly did not have delusions of grandeur about winning this thing (or having Viejas name a drink after us), but we wanted to have some fun and see how we matched up against the competition. I have been to 4 or 5 of the Sunday night contests and have never heard the judges booed as loudly as they were for their comments to us (the girl who yelled out for Danielle to “shut up” during her long laundry list of our short comings was not from our fan base, but it did want to make me burst out laughing) or to the band, Rokken. After we got off the stage, I had Garrison and Lori from Haute Flash (whom the judges correctly praised for their awesome vocals) tell me separately, that they thought our vocals were quite proficient and both used the term “nailed it” when referring to our rendition of Heart’s Barracuda. The guitarist from Rokken (whose tone was singled out for praise) came up to us and said our guitar player’s tone was “perfect”. I absolutely know that there will be differences of opinion when it comes to any type of art, but it was very perplexing to us that two of the bands that the judges praised for their vocals and guitar tone, told us they were blown away by the judges criticism of Roc Kandy. In my opinion, a judge loses all credibility with me as being fair and impartial to the rules of the contest when they make statements such as, “Your pants look like pajamas” or “I just don’t get Dokken” or even, “I hate the singers voice in Dokken”. I would say this even if I weren’t a participant in this contest. The way Edwin was brutalizing Rokken, I was thinking to myself, “Damn, wasn’t he one of the cops in that Rodney King video?” You judges talk about bands having to bring their “A Game” to this contest, but I think the 3 of you brought your “C Game” this last Sunday night. Another thing that I think destroyed fair and impartial judging credibility is Edwin’s statement in a blog from a week or two ago about how he hates bands that spell their name weird (i.e. Rokken, Rock Slyde & Roc Kandy). In my personal defense, that was the name of the band when I joined them. I wanted to change it to Menace To Sobriety, but they said that would forever preclude us from playing a benefit for the MADD organization. I countered that we could certainly play a benefit for DAMM (Drunks Against Mad Mothers), but I was soundly outvoted.
These rantings are just my personal opinions and I know that they and $7.00 will get me a cup of coffee from Starbucks
AIAG………Art Is A Gift!
July 16, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Fletcher; I agree! Our drummer has a fantastic, “balls to the wall” voice, and she was dinged as being vocally “thin”. A mic check would have been a huge help. (this, most likely, is the only time in history that a woman doesn’t want to be called “thin”).
We usually work with a small PA, that we run from the stage. Casy and the crew was a big time treat for us! We just need to work the stage a few times, and the sound crew will have a mix for us.
Tom, my hubby is a Tool Time type of guy… He has a fridge, easy chair and TV, in the garage. Drives me crazy, but he thinks it’s cool.
Gilbert; It’s an on going joke; Shaaron with two “As”. Dick with one “i”. I expected YOU to bite on that one!
July 16, 2008 at 9:12 pm
This message is for “not blinded by D.U.”.
The version of “I Wish ” by Stevie Wonder that we performed on Sun. is taken from his live DVD which he performed with his own band and repeated that version again, in which the band breaks, at his concert at the Hollywood Bowl 2 weeks ago Mon.. So it’s evident that Stevie likes the version we used since he himself wrote it and choose to keep it in his show. Rent the dvd and check it for yourself. The wild wild west part we put at the end is also recorded by Stevie Wonder with Will Smith doing a rap other the top of it. It also is on a video in which he appears in that you can rent and verify if you like.
As for the other songs we performed, Car Wash has horns in it, so does Sing a Song by E.W.F., and last I checked so did “I love you more today than Yesterday. Oh yes, and Kiss, we do the Tom Jones version which also has horns. We are a horn band so we play songs with horn parts in them like Chicago does, James Brown did, Earth Wind and Fire, Tower of Power, Kool and the Gang and many more.
Telling us that we don’t have to play horns on every song is like telling a Rock Band not to use Guitar on every song. It’s what they do!
I don’t know why you’re hating my friend but, you may want to do a little research before you say that D.U. is butchering a song that in fact the artist themselves has changed. It wasn’t our doing ………B.
July 16, 2008 at 9:40 pm
RockSlyde Drummer; Yes, HF would love to get pictures!
July 16, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Dear Bret (Rockandy drummer)
Thank you for pointing out that we judges did not make the rules in this event, but it irritates me to no end all this complaining and pushing to reform/rename this contest.
How can it break the “spirit of” a “Cover Band Contest,” when the term cover band COVERS all bands who cover the songs of another artist. I can’t believe anyone actually inside the music industry, indeed, inside the cover band industry, does not understand this.
Viejas and its sponsors put this contest together, they are the ones paying the 30+ thousand dollars in prizes and they can call it what they want and make whatever rules they want.
As long as they make those rules available to the bands before you signup, which they do, then you have no leg to stand on to complain about it.
TRIBUTE BANDS ARE COVER BANDS PEOPLE. Even if you don’t agree with that statement, this is the belief of the organizers, producers and promoters of UMC – so stop whining. The only respectable way to dissent about this is to not sign up for the contest in the first place.
As for the judges getting booed, hey, we know what it’s like to be banged liked a pinata as well. What’s your point, that the fact that we got booed meant we were wrong? Interesting position, but then, by your logic, wouldn’t the fact that you got the weakest applause prove us right?
Oh, and this point you make that, because the other band members came up to your guys and talked about how much you “nailed it” and other such praises is the height of naiveté.
Jesus man, you can’t possibly be telling me that you believed them? That they weren’t just being polite because that’s what bands say to each other back stage, after sets, because to not say these things would be totally uncomfortable. If the people in the other bands think that “Barracuda” was nailed, then perhaps they were talking about the kind of nail that goes through ones eyeball, or eardrums. You can’t seriously believe that the vocals on that song sounded good, do you?
Now, let’s talk about credibility, you said we lose it when we talk about pants looking like pajamas, or how much i hate Dokken, or how bands misspell their names.
There is no credibility issue here.
A. there is not a judge on this planet you could hire that doesn’t have a list of bands or musicians they dislike. That’s called being human and having his or her own taste. The fact that I disclosed my distaste for Dokken, in my mind, increases my credibility rather than reduces it. I’m trying to be open and honest about these things. Perhaps that was a mistake.
B. What a performer wears on stage, how they look, the charisma they present, are all part of the performance and open to critique.
C. I did not judge any band based on their band name, though, for the purposes of the blog, I mentioned my disapproval of it – because it was supposed to be funny. It’s a joke, it’s a dig, it’s got nothing to do with credibility, or the contest, it’s just for fun. Learn to recognize humor my friend, and you will go far.
But Bret, i’m with you – these are all personal opinions and I welcome your comments, and the zeal with which you defended yourself and your band, and so, as a consolation prize to you and your band, and an offering of peace between us,
I decided to invent a drink and name it after you after all. The first thing I will order from the bar when I get there next Sunday will be this drink, in your honor. Seriously.
The Rock Candy
1. Chill one martini glass, then sugar the rim.
2. Pour equal parts amaretto, sour apple pucker, and sour mix into a mixing tin and shake.
3. spear two cherries and place in martini glass
pour chilled Rock Candy into chilled martini glass and serve.
July 16, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Please!!!! Someone tell me that the Rokken guitarist was wearing a wig.
There is no way that Shaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaron has a day job. She has been sitting next to her computer for the past two weeks waiting to instant reply, (watch).
I would have given the win to Rockslyde because the girl playing the phantom keyboard looked really cute. I was kind far in the back but from there I thought so anyway.
July 16, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Whoops!!!, I meant that band with the two girls!!!! Rockslyde was the one with the guy that thought he could pull off Steve Perry and Brad Delp. right? That was hilarious!!!!
July 16, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Bret; The judges have been very blunt about their pics and pans, and RocKandy was no exception. Your two girls are very beautiful, and the big blond hair is to die for. I, personally, think that you have a lot of potential. The girls were “pitchy”, but let’s face it, Heart is a bitch to sing. Use what the judges said to better your act! Lower the key a bit, rehearse in a mirror, and if the band can afford it, hire someone to produce you! ie someone to come to rehearsals and pick you apart. HF agreed that whatever the judges said about us, we would take to heart and use it to improve. Remember? We were too “white, and stiff”. That will not be a problem next year! Garrison and Lori are really nice people, and would never say anything negative to another musician. So listen to the judges, they were brutally honest. But if you take their advice, your band will be better for it!
July 16, 2008 at 10:30 pm
See!!! Told you!! (Who’s Bret?)
July 16, 2008 at 10:51 pm
J; Bret is RocKandy’s drummer.
No, I don’t have a day job. I am a full time musician, and I take care of seven teenage foster girls.
Hey, you must not have a day job either, or you wouldn’t see me here so much!
July 16, 2008 at 11:11 pm
We are musicians who have attended several weeks, not to see a specific band, including the most recent, and we must say that we as well as others we talked to who were there July 13, share the thoughts of the RocKandy drummer, and good for him to call you on it, too much crap and the audiance showed you that. We had them ranked 3rd, not fifth as you said you did, using your own grading system. The blog here differed from the verbal. Some things you left out, they F***** did nail Barracuda musically, as well as the other songs, the musicanship scores big, great song selection, and we found the vocs not close to beehive. You did not do your job on this one (did one of them sleep with your mom/sister/girlfiend). Kudos to you guys, good job, many of us who were there agree, and not with the judges. DU-superb, HF very cool, RocKandy-very nice job, Rokken-kick butt, Rockslyde-way to go with 3 new memebers. You don’t have to agree, just like we don’t. Good luck to all the bands, you are all unique.
July 17, 2008 at 12:33 am
Shaaron shoot me an email at rockslyde@live.com and I will see about those pics. I bet you can identify with that movie Cheaper by the dozen,lol.
July 17, 2008 at 8:08 am
The Other (self proclaimed) Musicians, while it’s pretty difficult to make sense out of what you spewed out there, it seems like you’re saying that every band was fantastic. If the judges had said Barracuda was anything but weak THEN they’d have no credibility. It was like bad karaoke. Bands should realize their limitations. Ann Wilson is one of the all time great female vocalists. If you haven’t had some sort of formal training, you’re most likely going to look bad trying to imitate her. You could just go up and burp and fart into the mic and someone is going to tell you that you’re awesome.
July 17, 2008 at 9:18 am
Gilbert; Who are you? We’ve been bloggin’ for a while, but I have no idea if you are a musician or not.
July 17, 2008 at 10:09 am
What I wanna know is who was the best Tribute DANCE Cover band… :::excluding Dutch pop covers::: or tributes thereof
July 17, 2008 at 10:23 am
Shaaron, I could be a booking agent, slot machine addict, the bar tender, a professional musician, the guy dancing in the red white and blue socks, a spectator or sponsor of the event. I’m just going to keep you guessing.
I will say this to all who whine after being judged. Music is subjective, so no one persons opinion is right or wrong. But if you can not understand the difference between the level you perform at today and the level you could potentially perform at in the future, then you can not know the difference between being in a band and being a good musician. You can’t please everyone all the time, but you can always become better through self criticism and hard work. Humility is a trait of any good musician.
July 17, 2008 at 10:41 am
Well Dickie, there is the Mariah Carey tribute band (Pill Poppin’ Airhead). Then you have the Bee Gees tribute band who never charge for their shows (The Free Gees) and don’t forget the Bel Biv Devoe tribute band (Bel Biv Devotees) nor the Whitney Houston tribute band that hails from Massachusetts (Whitney Boston) nor the tribute band who does Led Zeppelin songs reggae (Dread Zeppelin – an actual band) and the all male Madonna tribute (Mandonna).
So who remembers Dread Zeppelin, from San Diego?
July 17, 2008 at 11:34 am
Just for the record…
I have the best humility or modesty for that matter.
July 17, 2008 at 12:30 pm
And yes Dave, a healthy sense of humor as well.
July 17, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Rules are rules. That is how everything works. Baseball, Football, contracts, battle of the bands, etc.
How come D.U. got to come in after the declared deadline? It is a simple question, I need, in fact, we all need an answer. D.U.was allowed in because……………………………….
July 17, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Wow, slow day in Blogville. Perhaps you’re all resting up for Sunday.
July 17, 2008 at 4:27 pm
I wish the website would get updated on Mondays instead of Fridays.
…and, I wish for World Peace.
July 17, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Gilbert; I will pretend that you are the guy in the red white and blue socks. At least I can laugh when I read your posts!
Tom; Slow day because I have been out, and not blogging! I have my place in the world!
Beverly; Yeah!
July 17, 2008 at 5:14 pm
it was a timing thing with d.u. we had an open slot from a drop out early on, we forgot about it, and d.u. asked if they could fill it first. simple as that. sorry if that’s disappointing…
website is 1st on my list tomorrow. sorry folks (sorry dave especially)
July 17, 2008 at 5:15 pm
viejas idol? hey if we launch an idol style competition for vocalists (say $2,500 grand prize) would you crazies participate?
July 17, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Do “Screeching Weasels Being Beaten with a Stick” count? And if so, I’m in for some more dismantling Decker destroying decibel disproval. I’ve still got more high pitched, hyper-sustained, excessive tremolo-ing, overblown, overrated, erratic screechfest vocals to directly drive the derisive Decker drunkenly dashing desperately for departure in the direction of the distant Dreamcatcher door. Whew, DONE! Lol!
Sean
July 17, 2008 at 5:57 pm
So what about World Peace?
July 17, 2008 at 6:54 pm
July 17, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Hey Johnny Rocket . . .
Who’s the short one now?
July 17, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Sean! Very cool! Love those lyrics… may I use them in my next song about Decker? ?? LOL!!!
Dread Zeppelin…… sounds somewhat familiar. But I think that was during the time I was really into C & W. Was that one of my mystery tours???
Ed? What kind of beer would you like me to “fetch” for you on Sunday??
July 17, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Hey Ed, any chance your refering to “Beat Her with a Rake” by The Weasels. They were a mid 70’s punk/metal band. They opened for the band I was in, when we played at The Whiskey A Go-Go back in 1978. Wow, time flies.
July 17, 2008 at 9:00 pm
I “Googled” it. “Beat her with a rake, Make her pay for her mistake”. Now those are lyrics!
July 17, 2008 at 10:22 pm
I am the keyboardist for HF. First off, let me express my thanks for the opportunity to participate in this band-off. The sound, the lights, the big stage were a welcome change from the club scene and the chance to rub elbows with fabulous musicians and hang with cool people in the biz was terrific. Cudos to Casey and the Crew, the judges, and the staff for producing this party.
I just want to send a note to Ed and the judges about our “whiteness”. In the 20 minutes we were allotted, there was not enough time to really get to all the soul of what HF covers. I have been singing professionally for over 15 years, primarily in blues bands, and the comment I get most often is that I sound more black than white, especially when I am not saddled with having to “cover” someone else and emulate their sound and can use my own voice. Audiences who may be outside the club in the “smoking lounge” are hard pressed to believe they were listening to me when they see the face that went with the voice. I’ve covered Aretha, Irma, Etta, Tina, and even James Brown when necessary and have never been told I sounded “too white.” I must admit that having to sing and play keys at the same time is much harder when the concetration is not completely on the vocal style- and being judged too! I have produced and perfomed in both a show on the History of the Blues (which packed the house to overflowing at the Museum of Making Music, and was one of their most successful concerts-they even had to turn away Joe Walsh cuz he didn’t call for a reservation!) as well as a Tribute to Motown, and the blonde white outside is only a facade for the black soul within- ask B.B.! Had we made it to the next round, you would have gotten a taste of it, but it didn’t fit into the set we came up with for Sunday.
BTW, lovely as your pic was, Ed, and it was fabulous, we look like a trio rather than a quartet.
And you might wanna look again, there was NOBODY in a sparkly skirt onstage. Perhaps you were just dazzled by the sparkling talent ?- LOL.
Thank you for your comments, however, and we have taken them to heart. We knew DU was powerful stuff, and we love them dearly and wish them well. Frankly, much as we would have taken on the challenge had the opportunity been presented, the thought of going up agaist MOR is more stress than I need in my life…. let DU deal with that, and good luck to you both…. there may be blood on the stage when its all over.
To reiterate Shaaron’s suggestion – if a band has to drop out, wait until the end of the competition and take the highest score of all bands not advanced to determine who gets to fill the spot.
Thanks again for the chance to go for it, and thanks to all our fans who were so supportive and continue to come to our gigs and pack the house. We had people there that came from LA and Orange Counties for us.
I’m looking forward to the finals to see how this all plays out. It’s gonna be fun – now that I don’t have to sweat the competition any more!
Rock on!
July 17, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Dread Zeppelin was all the rage in San Diego in the late 80s. They were fairly well known nationally too. They were a hilarious tribute band that had an Elvis impersonator front man named TortElvis, and a guitar player named “Ed Zeppelin”.
They did these Reggae versionS of Zeppelin songs combined with Elvis songs.
Like, “You Ain’t Nothing but a Black Dog,” and “Heartbreaker Hotel” and other such nonsense. It was GREAT!!
Colleen, if I tell you what beer I like, are you going to pour it on my head?
July 18, 2008 at 12:44 am
Hey Johnny,
I was trying to upload this photo earlier . . . It’s for you.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/2678710613_8498318bd6_o.jpg
July 18, 2008 at 3:18 am
Yeah… I do remember Dread Z. and that was during the time I was into C & W. Thanks… I was beginning to think it was one of those mystery tours.
Ed… would I do that to you? A big strong guy like you? Didn’t you say Miller lite was your fav?
July 18, 2008 at 8:26 am
colleen, if you’re taking drink orders I’ll take a Makers Mark and Coke.
July 18, 2008 at 8:41 am
Yes, I did work the Motown Tribute show with Nancy of HF which she headed and the show sold out. I must say she did an excellent vocal job in the show and as she stated, she wasn’t playing keyboards which allowed to to fully focus on her vocals.
And Dave from Jump Start, I may come early to hear your group at Humphreys, a few of us would like to ask you about that F**K D.U. comment you made to Shaaron on this blog. What did we do to you? Where did that come from? You could of just said everyone else and left it at that. lol
Be well my friend.
July 18, 2008 at 9:24 am
B. Battle This ain’t the hood and Don’t make me start calling you Choppy…..oops too late. I’ll take you, Shorty(tpt player) and Pichy(that bald headed singer) on right now. Oh no….a Band fight….I feel my own nick name and possibly unemployment coming on. Does HF need a sax player??
Oh and B. Battle, I’m sure Dave mean’t “F**k DU” as a term of endearment.
July 18, 2008 at 10:05 am
I guess I was saying “don’t worry about the competition” and she mentioned DU before the show.
so in my F**k’d up way to say We have no control over what others do so forget about them… law of attraction.
Imagination is everything. It is the preview of life’s coming attractions.
July 18, 2008 at 10:15 am
Hey Johnny Rano,
I’m impressed, you’ve been holding your own in this band fight. I must say I’m surprised you called out Dave (D.U.’s Dave, lead vocalist), I’m wondering if he’s going to respond. I must say you’re even funny with some wit added to it. It must because the blog gives you some time to think about your response because usually in person it takes you about 2 band breaks to realize that you were insulted 3 hours ago.
jlang, that picture is hilarious!
July 18, 2008 at 10:27 am
btw, do you remember the last time we played Humphrey’s together? JB (our singer) was sittin’ in her Caddilac Eldorado out in the parking lot when you guys were loading in. Who was it that said… (well, maybe you don’t remember) but it was too funny.
July 18, 2008 at 10:34 am
Hey Dave (Jump Start),
It seems you and I read and/or study the same type of material for I too believe in the laws of attraction. Maybe we can talk about it when we meet.
Hey Johnny Rano a.k.a. unemployed, I heard through the grape vine that Cash’d Out is looking for a sax player.
July 18, 2008 at 11:35 am
Ha Ha …you funny guy mista Lang. (insert asian accent here>>>)Let’s see how hod you Raugh after I put Preparation H on your mouthpiece. “No Lip Lang” comes to mind as a new nickname.
Ouch B.Battle….no Hilarious would be what would happen if I accidently bumped the “Chipmunk fart” patch on your Yamaha while you were out front playing your toy keyboard.
I kill myself sometimes.
July 18, 2008 at 11:52 am
Johnny Rano; HF has been looking for sax player! How do you look in drag? We would have to get that one by Gilbert though.
What is this “law of attraction” you are blogging about? I really don’t have time to read, at least not any more. I blog all the time.
When Dave said to f*** DU. I thought he meant to forget about the competition. Should I reconsider my thoughts on that one?
Nancy’s comments were right on! She can sing the blues and Motown with the best of them! It must be hard to look at HF, an all white middle age female band, and think “funky”. Oh well, get over it! We will funk next year! I’m betting that my bass playing is part of the too white problem. I’m going to work on it until my thumb has big ‘ol sores, and I start talking with gang signs!
July 18, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Tom!
W/ Coke? What a horrible way to desecrate Makers Mark! May I “fetch” you a less “important” bourbon in order to “serve” you in the same manner as Ed?
Same goes for my other friend… Jack…. if he’s a gentleman. But if you want to party make sure to invite Jose!
July 18, 2008 at 12:15 pm
well, since you asked…
The Law of Attractions says that you create your reality, your situation in life. Good and Bad. The Universe is just reacting to your thoughts and feelings. So…
Dream of your goals. It is like your future photo album.
VISUALIZE!!! Rehearse your future
When you start taking the pleasure in the envisioning, you’ve got it.
Those who speak most of illness have illness, those who speak most of prosperity have it..etc..
“Imagination is everything. It is the preview of life’s coming attractions.”
Albert Einstein
July 18, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Shaaron, I think me in drag might go against any law of attraction. In any case im sure Gilbert wouldn’t approve. As far as the secret to being more funky……”time” and “groove” are the two most important words in your life if you’re a drummer or Bass player (I happen to be a Bass “owner”) and the three most important people are James Jamerson, Jaco, and Marcus Miller. Just transcribe and memorize all their stuff and the funk will follow. Oh and MOST important….Take any advice from a sax player about Bass playing with a grain of salt.
July 18, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Just wait til next year, you will get funked royally!!! :-; Sometin’ to look forward to amid the screaching of metal bands.
July 18, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Nancy,
July 18, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Wow, keyboard error. As if it’s not enough to have to battle the judges now everybody’s going join the anti-metal gang. This is a conspiracy.
July 18, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Hi Shaaron,
I agree with Dave description of the laws of attratction and would like to add this, all of your power is in the now, the present moment, you can’t change the past and you can do nothing about the future until it arrives, even if it’s 5 mins. from now. By what you think and believe, also by your actions or inaction in the present moment you will manifest your future. It may not come to you the you may think it will but it will come to you just the same.
As Dave has stated the laws of attraction does not discriminate between good or bad, it’s just that what ever your dominant thought or feelings are you will attract more of whether you want it or not. Therefore, it’s best to make a conscious effort to keep a positve attitude toward your life and all of your wants and desires. I hope this helps you a little in your understanding.
As for you Johnny R., you’d be looking for a very long time to find a button on my keyboard that sounds like chipmunk farts for my gear is pro and doesn’t have such a button. You must be thinking because your keyboard has that sound that they all do. And as for my midi remote keyboard, it’s top of the line, there’s none better made. Just because you play on a banged out metal trash can with a mouth piece on it, don’t be hating.
July 18, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Sean — it’s the AMGCT!
July 18, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Shaaron, mr Bbattle Tolle Knows what he’s talkin about. For Example: My “Slamming bandmate” attitude is surely going to attract a barrage of sh** in my direction…..Stay tuned.
Battle, That’s a Midi remote keyboard? This whole time I thought you were blowing into the small end to make the sound come out. I do agree that its top of the line tho…..cuz that thing gets the best Accordian and Bagpipe sounds I’ve ever heard.
July 18, 2008 at 2:06 pm
“Ed don’t hate me”, I have to confess that in my younger years I spent many hours locked in a room trying to learn “Where eagles Dare” on my Bass and even paid to see Quiet Riot one time..so I’m not part of the conspiracy.
July 18, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Johnny; I have studied Jamerson, and I took lessons, (for several years) with Carol Kaye. Carol is still one of my friends.
All of you guys, the battle is, and will always be on stage! Don’t be bad mouthing each other! Let the judges do that dirty work! We all know how small this musical town is. You might be in bands together soon.
It was much more fun when everyone was talking about HF!
July 18, 2008 at 2:21 pm
colleen, the caffeine and bourbon combine into a magical elixir enabling me to be a wide awake drunk performing super human drum riffs. Yeah right. Straight up with a beer back is all good too as long the beer has actual hops and barley in it. Not like that swill Ed drinks. If we advance on Sunday, maybe I’ll buy you one. If not, I’ll be sobbing in the corner with my pouty face.
July 18, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Hey B.Battle, You and I might be in a band together soon. Oh NO! Hahahaha
July 18, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Sharron, don’t worry about the funk. Remember how Navin Johnson couldn’t snap his fingers to soul music, but then heard a tune by Lawrence Welk on the radio, and his feet spontaneously began to move with the urge to dance? He sees this as a calling and decides to hitchhike to St. Louis, where the song was broadcast from.
This could happen to you after you see Monsters of Rock on Sunday. You may be suddenly inspired to study the works of Steve Harris and end up joining a metal band. Hey, it could happen.
July 18, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Tom; I was in a metal band in the 70s! We went on the road with Quicksilver Messenger Service, Chi Coltrane and Dr. John, The Nighttripper! (We were called “Wild Otis”) It was an all original act, and I made money at it! I think the only way I’d join a metal band these days is if MOR needed me! LOL
I love my band! We have so much fun, and it’s very rewarding to show hard heads like Ed that women can ROCK! Besides, guys are just too darn bitchy!
July 18, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Oooh another shot!, Ouch! I think I’m bleeding and I got tagged by a chick with a feathered ferret attached to her head, lol. Well, at tleast she was a ‘former’ metalhead.
Johnny, welcome aboard the metal wagon you’re now an offically registered member of the AMGCT as Coleen has eloquently coined us.
WooHoo.
July 18, 2008 at 3:16 pm
“HAUTE FLASH” NEWS REPORT!!!
Word just out . . . Haute Flash is getting ready for next years competition.
They just signed on the all new sexy sax player . . . “Lola Serrano”
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3069/2680245977_fda3835117_o.jpg
July 18, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Son of a %$#@!……..At least he didn’t put a dress on me. Where did you get that stupid picture? I’d sue you for all you own but I don’t want your car.
July 18, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Lola, did you click on the link??? You are wearing a beautiful dress.
Sweeeeeet!!!!!!
July 18, 2008 at 3:39 pm
The UMC website seems up to date now…
All of the semifinalist’s are listed with new pictures.
http://www.ultimatemusicchallenge.com/bands_07.20.html
July 18, 2008 at 3:43 pm
That is just WRONG on sooo many levels……There’s a reason Trumpet players have way too much time on their hands.
July 18, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Hey Johnny, can I still get a ride to the gig tonight? . . . . Hello . . . Hello . . .
Johnny? . . .
July 18, 2008 at 3:46 pm
J.Lang………LOVE the pic of LOLA with HF !!!! lol I think you SHOULD add a dress!! Don’t stop………..lol
July 18, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Hey Johnny & B.Battle, Dave Nevin won’t be singing with us tonight.
Word has it he’s taking some time out to learn how to “Moon Walk” for the Semifinals on July 27th.
I got this picture of him working on the dance step. That’s dedication man!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3169/2681067252_87e68d2832_o.jpg
July 18, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Jason — Viejas idol? Go for it!! I’d love to hear “Alice” or Sean or any of the other Metal band lead singers have to do different genres!! Especially good ol Country & Western!! Or even better…. Bubble Gum songs!! Yeah!! GREAT IDEA!! And make sure Ed is one of the judges! Can’t you just picture Shaaron singing “My Boyfriend’s Back”!
Reserve me a table now! This would be fun!!
July 18, 2008 at 5:16 pm
I just got a call from a club we play at that is looking for a band TONIGHT!
We’re not available but if you are post a reply.
9:30 to 1:30, paying gig in Coronado.
July 18, 2008 at 6:07 pm
OMG THAT is funny! Hey Lola, are you up for it? We have a few band rules though; We take turns schmoozing the stalkers, agents and club bookers. You’ll get used to it quickly. Have you ever been in prison? It would make great experience for this part of the band duties. Plus, you get lots of free lunches. The pink trim on the dress was a brilliant touch! You learn very well!
Viejas Idol. Ewwwwwww no way!
July 18, 2008 at 6:24 pm
jlang; I dare you! Put a dress on Johnny! HF would love a horn section!
July 18, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Colleen, 1st, you HF’s drummer? If so, impressive performance the other night. Props to you. 2nd are you kidding I can screech country or motown (the Stylistics are probably my favorite) as well as any metal morpher. Well, at least I think I can. I’ll let Ed tell me that, lol. But this time I’m getting him drunk first and a few minutes alone backstage with the new sax player from HF, lol. Ed, since you’re from the Big Apple I ahve to ask. Are you a J-E-T-S fan like me? Or a Giant bandwagoner? Or worse one of those guys who just doesn’t get into sports. If the latter’s the case that sax player better run for cover, fast.
Screech Weasel
July 18, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Garrison is the HF drummer. Nancy on keys, Lori on guitar. Me on bass. Lola, our new sax player, will be under going some laser treatments, and a quick class on HF flirting.
July 18, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Bandwagoner!? Let me tell you something sir Screechalot, I was a New York Football Giants fan when Don Dokken’s father was still paying for sex with his mother. I’ve seen more Giants’ games than all the vocal tremolo wavers in all of Dokken’s songs combined.
And when my beloved New York Football Giants stole the SuperBowl from the evil, murderous, cheating Patriots, I knew then that all was good and right in the world, a feeling which lasted until about a week ago, when a group of guys I don’t know decided it would be a good idea to cover Dokken songs at the DreamCatcher.
It all fell apart then.
The Jets are ok too, but for me it’s all about the Giants, the Yanks, The Knicks, and the Rangers
July 18, 2008 at 9:53 pm
OK everybody, so we have our 8 bands. You know how it works right? The next two weeks, during each semi round, four bands will play against each other. Two bands from each semi round will move on to the finals. So, I’m curious to hear what your predictions are.
Semi (Round 1)
Help
Monsters of Rock
6one9
Alice and the Cooper Gang
Semis (Round 2)
Gin Pistons
Detroit Underground
Old School
Anger is a Gift
So if you want, go ahead and pick two winners from each week, then choose the grand prize winner from those four. Whoever gets it right gets bragging rights.
Also, you get MAJOR bragging rights if you pick all three prize slots in the finals. First, second and third place. if you do that correctly not only do you win MAJOR bragging rights, but from then on we on the blog will have to refer to you as MAJOR “so and so.” like, if Colleen guesses right, we have to call her “Major Colleen.” (perish the thought).
That is all,
General Decker
July 18, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Round 1; MOR, Help!
Round 2; Detroit Underground, AIAG
1. DU
2. MOR
3. Help!
That is unless DU gets some high paying convention gig and has to drop out. Then it will be;
1. MOR
2. HF
3. Help!
July 19, 2008 at 8:14 am
Ed Don’t Hate Me: If only I had 1/2 the talent to be the drummer for HF! That would be awesome!! No…. sadly I’m not the drummer for them, but drums are my favorite instrument. (Second being the sax, which I also cannot play) So much is my love of drums, I dated a drummer in High School, married a drummer (different guy) and Ringo Starr was my favorite Beatle. Love drums!!!
Ok Ed… get ready to call me Major! (Disclaimer: These predictions are based on performances during the first rounds. Who knows DU could suddenly loose their sax player before the finals…)
Winners of Round 1: MOR & 6one9
Winners of Round 2: DU & AIG
Finals:
!st: Detroit Underground 2nd: Monsters Of Rock 3rd: Anger is a Gift
Hey… judging is not easy! We have too many talented musicians/bands from which to choose!
July 19, 2008 at 10:38 am
Hey Johnny Rano,
I’m not done with you yet.
First of all let me say I really do hope you band wins, frankly because I could use the cash.
There you go hating again on my gear, but that’s OK those bagpipes and accordian patches on my keyboard keeps me working, it pays my mortgage each month. Thanks for the compliment.
On another note I told you that you were in trouble when you call out Mr. jlang and he informed me at last nights gig that he’s not done yet.
And I thought it was distasteful of you to pick on our very on Dave (d.u. lead vocalist) will he’s in recovery from his illness and can’t defend himself, so being his friend I guess I’ll have to do that for him.
In one of your earlier blogs you wrote about me being from the hood and that is correct I was raised in the hood where it was manditory to have your skills to be able to base and cap on other people by age 7 or face the raff of everyone else.
So here it goes……….
I remember the time you tried to enter the sucky saxophone players contest and was denied entry because they told you sorry, no professional.
Then there was the time back when you were poor and only owned one sax and you told me you sold it because you needed some money to by some new reeds.
And I wasn’t even going to mention the time when we were both poor as kids and I went to visit you at your house and saw a cigarette butt burning in the middle of the living carpet, so I stepped on it to put it out and then your mom entered the room and asked who turn off the heater.
Johnny I can’t believe you took on 3 other fellow band members, I always thought that you were smarter then that. Any one of us would have caused your brain to overload trying to keep up.
You know those things I just wrote are kind of mean, I don’t think I’ll do that to you Johnny…now let me see, I don’t have my glasses on, I wonder if this button deletes or submts………..
July 19, 2008 at 10:38 am
OOOOOPs!!!
July 19, 2008 at 10:52 am
Guys! If you keep up this interband competition, you might self implode! That would be so cool for HF!
July 19, 2008 at 11:06 am
Ouch!!! . . . I think Johnny’s in too deep B.Battle . . . He’s probably going through his “Knock Knock, Who’s There?” joke book to come back with something really zany. . . . can’t wait . . . should be a doozy. If he’s not careful, he just may pop one of his hairs out of place from thinking of a comeback.
July 19, 2008 at 11:14 am
Hey Ed,
You wrote that the Giants stole the superbowl from the Patriots. The Giants didn’t steal anything, they kick their butts and took the title. And this is coming from a Charger fan who’s not to fond of Eli.
July 19, 2008 at 11:30 am
When I said “stole” what I meant was, that all of the world was expecting the Pats to take that one, that the Giants stole the trophy from the palm of their hands, but I get your point, and you’re right, playing better than the other team and making them look like chumps on national television is not stealing, it’s taking.
when David Tyree caught that helmet pass, I nearly fainted. I was fully expecting the Giants to blow it and they almost did. When they scored the winning touchdown, I leaped into the arms of my friend Duane who, believe it or not, is bigger than me. The two of us fell backwards onto the floor sobbing like little girls.
Where are your picks people!!
July 19, 2008 at 12:18 pm
My prediction:
Semi’s: Mönsters öf Röck will storm the stage in a barrage of giant flash bombs, 30′ tall flame throwers, & deathray laser lights and will proceed to melt the faces off everyone in attendance.
Finals: Mönsters öf Röck vocalist will ride onstage on a Harley accidently crushing one of the dwarfs dancing around the mini Stonehenge prop and will proceed to melt the faces off everyone whose face was not previously melted off and go home $20k richer..
~{Major} LHC
July 19, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Hey {Private} LHC!! Where’s your second & third place picks?!?!?
Notice Ed? The only ones with “balls” enough to meet your complete challenge are FEMALES!
July 19, 2008 at 1:14 pm
MöR!
2nd & 3rd don’t interest me much.
July 19, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Colleen; Don’t you get it? We are here only to serve Ed.
The response to this weeks blog has been the best, by far , for the entire 8 weeks. why is that Ed? Could it have something to do with ovaries?
July 19, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Shouldn’t you women be doing some cooking or housework or something rather then be engaged in such intellectual discussions?
Leave this to us menfolk to sort out.
July 19, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Ed, at least you and I agree on this; The Pats are footballs version of a Dokken Tribute. How the NFL can fine the losers for cheating in one week and then elect Bilicheat coach of the year floored me. Of the 32 NFL team they are 47th on my list. I’ll take the NY Titans, Houston Oliers, St. Louis Cards, Dallas Texans, Baltimore Colts and the Montana Mudhens before I’d root for the Pats. You know what? All things Boston (NE) blow. IMHO.
BTW, I haven’t seen them but I’m rooting for MONSTERS OF ROCK!
Screech Weasel
July 19, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Private LHC — Cooking’s done… Housework’s done… Car’s tuned up… so have to sit by my computer “learning” from the men! What kind of beer shall I “fetch” for you Sunday? I’ll be sure to “serve” you in the efficiency as Tom and Ed!
Shaaron! Did you read LHC statement? “… menfolk to sort out…”! LOL!! Now there is the greatest oxymoron I’ve ever heard!!
July 19, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Shaaron, oh, it’s ovaries all right. 4 of them to be exact, two of yours and two of Colleens.
And never forget, ovaries are just testicles that failed the exam and couldn’t get promoted.
General Decker
July 19, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Colleen, maybe there’s a “good movie” on Lifetime you’re missing by spending all your time here …
Make mine a Guinness and I’ll be prepared to duck next I see you.
July 19, 2008 at 3:35 pm
LHC, actually I have watched three movies (one being on Lifetime) while, at the same time reading and wrting blogs, answering phone calls, and doing computer work for my job.
Oh….. I’m sorry that was a very advanced example of multi-tasking. I keep forgetting you boys are not able to comprehend that concept. So sorry! And….BTW… there will be no need to DUCK next we meet…..
July 19, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Hey, who says we can’t multi-task? We can watch football, eat, drink beer and have sex simultaneously. That’s way better than a movie, book, blog and answering phones. At least from where I’m sitting.
Hyper sustaining is not just a virtue for vocals.
Screech Weasel
July 19, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Semi final one:
Unless HELP does something special with their show I think they’re out.
6ONE 9 makes it through because they are the best musically, but not necessarily first place of the night.
For me it’s a toss up between MOR and Alice. MOR is the better musically but Alice’s show is killer. (can they pull out something different for this appearance?)
Semi two:
ANGER – DETROIT – SCHOOL – PISTON
Final prediction?
1. Anger is a Gift
2. Detroit Underground
3. Alice and the Cooper Gang
4. who cares?
July 19, 2008 at 11:29 pm
Just a question Ed or maybe to Viejas Management? Since this competition is held at a Casino, any chance we can get a betting game going for the UMC final showdown? Kind of the same deal as playing the horses or the boxing. Me being a gambling man, thinks it would be very interesting to see if all the talented bloggers throughout the weeks would put their money where there professional opinions are spoken. Everyone could have the chance to walk away with a little $$ at the end of the night if they can call the bands.. Same as yours Ed but with extra benefits, sound good heh?
I call it like this:
Semifinals
1.Monsters of Rock
2.6one9
3.Anger is a gift
4.Detroit Underground
Finals
1.Anger is a gift (didn’t catch their show, but did my homework and checked out the stats $500 already in a private pool and a $1000+if the casino puts something up)
2.Monsters of Rock
3.Detroit Underground
July 20, 2008 at 1:54 am
I’m a gambler to HM, but this question needs to be answered by the one of the production fellas. My guess is, probably not, but hey, you never know
July 20, 2008 at 9:34 am
Ok, here’s my pick:
Semi-finals tonight:
MOR
619
Next week:
AIG
DU
Finals:
MOR
DU
AIG
There ya go… now all we have to do is show up and look pretty
July 20, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Round 1:
MOR
Help!
Round 2:
Detroit Underground
Anger is a Gift
Final:
1. MOR
2. Detroit Underground
3. Anger is a Gift
Major Gilbert
July 20, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Round 1:
MOR
6one9
Round 2:
Detroit Underground
Anger Is A Gift
Finals:
Anger Is A Gift
Detroit Underground
Monsters Of Rock
I shall collect my “Major” status soon enough…until then I am simply Heavy Metal Lust Goddess
July 20, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Speaking of showing up and looking pretty… some confusion on the time. It starts at 8:00 pm instead of 6:00 pm right? I’ve had friends who called the dreamcatcher and have been told it is from 6 – 10 tonight. They want to head up at 4:30 to get seats! I don’t want to wait 3 1/2 hours for the show to start,
but more importantly don’t want to miss any of the bands. Whats the correct starting time?????
July 20, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Went by the club last night, and the start time is 8:00. Supposedly the doors won’t open until around 7:00. That’s info from one of the servers.
Often times the phone people are clueless to what’s happening in the club.
July 20, 2008 at 2:52 pm
8:00pm is correct.
July 21, 2008 at 12:14 am
Hey Colleen;
Thank you sooooooo much for bringing everyone out to our gig last night! It was almost as good as having the DreamCatcher Stage again. Well, not almost, just sort of. HF says thank you!
July 21, 2008 at 12:17 am
I just can’t wait until the week 9 blog. MOR Rocked! Congrats on moving on! Alice had the best stage mix, but my heart still belongs to anything Beatles. Help! you rocked too. I will be at future gigs, it was nice getting a chance to talk to “John”.
Sergio, thanks for your kind words, and we will see you in the finals!
July 21, 2008 at 12:34 am
Week 9 was a great show – at least that’s what I remember – now that my headache is calming down and my ears have stopped bleeding. Help! at least offered some serious musicality, and an interesting diversity of of songs (altho Bulldog would have been a better opener to entertain the metalheads.) The mutual band-love was dripping all over the room – the sharing of equipment, the dancing for each other and all the high 5s… geez, nice to see big sweaty men being so sentimental! But this will be a tough – I look forward to the battle of the straightjacket monster vs. the snake…. and it remains to be seen who they will face off against besides those “horny” guys from DU. But, for all of you, as Ed says, “you know we love you guys, you know that, right?!”
July 21, 2008 at 1:01 am
BTW HF will have the tampon concession next week for those with bleeding ears “only women bleed?” NOT!!!!!
July 21, 2008 at 9:31 am
Monsters of Rock all the way Babay!!!! I love this band and all the guys in it. I’ll be there for the finals to cheer MOR on without doubt.
I still am in utter disbelief about what in the hell the judges were thinking in regard to Alice Cooper and the Gang. What a disaster. Ed, is Alice your secret lover or something? My suggestion – stay faithful to your beautiful wife and let a band with real talent win the competition.
July 21, 2008 at 9:38 am
Hey Jason,
I liked the picture you choose for D.U. on the web site for the semi-finals.
Thanks….B
July 21, 2008 at 9:47 am
Obviously Ed could not bring himself to call me Major Gilbert, so he just flipped a coin. Alice and the Cooper Gang’s guitars were out of tune the whole set, the vocals were weak and Schools Out sounded more like Welcome To My Nightmare because the entire band had lost their place and mutilated the song. The guitar player and vocalist were looking at each other like “oh my God, how the hell are we going to end this song?” They were by far the worst band of the night in the talent category. But yeah, they had a good mix. I guess the bands are getting rated on the sound man’s performance now.
July 21, 2008 at 9:57 am
Nancy, Shaaron, thanks for the kind words regarding Help. I am at a loss to explaing the judging or the judges comments. With regard to our song selection, I could swear I remember it being said somewhere that bands were not going to be judged on the songs they chose, or what they should have done, but rather on how well they performed the songs they played. We (Help) got knocked because we did not play one of the vintage guitars we had onstage. We were trying to implement some of the elements that last years winner, Cash’d Out, suggested: vary the tempo and feel of your songs (hence Norwegian Wood). Also playing I am the Walrus demonstrates an impressive degree of musicianship when you are doing it without sequencers and fake vocals, etc., and I thought we did it pretty well. Apparently Jaime and Ed did not agree and that is something we will have to accept. I would like to note that the guys in Alice and the Gang and Monsters of Rock were truly gracious and humble in victory and all of them seemed to be really great guys. I wish them both the best in the finals.
July 21, 2008 at 10:11 am
Whoa Gilbert!
While I totally agree with your Alice observations, If you review my prediction of the finals I’m right on track to Major-dom.
Hey Alice! buy some tuners and use ‘em before the set starts.
July 21, 2008 at 10:13 am
btw, Alice had said “good night” and the whole band stopped except for the lead player. When Alice realized that they really weren’t finished he tried to get back into it but was lost. It was a total train wreck. …but he had a snake around his neck, so there you go.
July 21, 2008 at 10:43 am
Well Dickie, I hope you’re wrong since MOR isn’t even in your top three, but after the reviews last night anything could happen.
July 21, 2008 at 10:49 am
well, there is no changing the predictions at this point so I must stick with what I said…
MOR was awsome, I missed them in round one.
6ONE9 was better but too loud. (better rythmn section) Although they did butcher the vocals on Def Leopard and Alice in Chains.
btw, Upstairs is a better place to see and hear all. The bass is louder down on the floor and way boomier back by the bar.
July 21, 2008 at 11:39 am
So Dickie, you’re saying that MOR was awesome and 619 butchered the vocals on half their songs, yet 619 was better? In what way were they better? Enlighten me!
July 21, 2008 at 11:50 am
The bass player and the drummer were better for 6ONE9. MOR’s players are good, I’d like to see the drummer smack the snare a bit harder and the accents too. Also a bit tighter between the drummer and bass. That’s what I dug with 6ONE9.
The balance between guitars were better for 6ONE9 although too loud overall. If the MOR guitarist with the green les paul would start using a boost for his solos (or a channel switch) that would be better. (in my humble opinion)
MOR’s background singing was good but not strong. (right on pitch though)
MOR’s stage volume was better than 6ONE9 so the mix was nicer.
July 21, 2008 at 11:52 am
If you remember back to Mercy House, I liked their drummer too.
I missed several nights of round one but those two drummers were cool, Mercy House and 6ONE9.
no, I’m not a drummer.
July 21, 2008 at 12:14 pm
This blog is going to reach 200 by the end of today!
Gilbert; You have a good ear this week! I heard the Alice Gang’s out of tune guitars too. They did train wreck, and they did look lost. However, they were smart enough to keep the volume down enough to let the sound crew get a mix, and you could actually hear the mistakes because of it. 6one9 and MOR (I love MOR!) were so loud that it covered almost everything. It was mush! Help! made some questionable song selection choices, but showed a ton of professionalism. Nancy and I agree that “Hey Bulldog” would have been a much better opener for this contest. I would also like to have seen some more obscure Beatle songs like “Savoy Truffle”, or “When I Get Home” or even”Think For Yourself”. You just don’t hear those songs…
July 21, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Greg (loud 5 string bass player) from 6one9 here,
First of all, I’d like to say Props to Monsters of Rock. When I heard them, I knew they were the ones to beat. We are very supportive of other local bands and I am happy for M.O.R. for moving on. I am only writing this because Sunday night I felt like I was in the Twilight Zone. I am COMPELLED to write this, even if it is just a bad idea, to address three issues that I can’t get out of my head.
1)Sound levels and mix.
We line checked with the stage manager and the sound man specifically asking if we were too loud. They said no, in fact, they asked Casey to turn his guitar up. When I heard the mix through the PA, I heard a huge boost in levels. Bottom line is that it sounded PERFECT on stage, period. Yes, we are a loud band, but we do have the ability to turn down stage volume during sound check and we have no control over the mix when it’s not our system or sound man. We are a professional band and strive to mix and perform appropriate to the venue. The LAST thing we want is to be TOO loud. The judges comments for 6one9 and Alice Cooper were almost completely about the mix. Every judge said the sound level really hurt us. Where in the judging categories is the mix?!? It’s not, I looked. Maybe next year you can have the Ultimate Sound Man Challenge with one band playing the same set over and over with different sound men mixing.
2)Alice and the Cooper Gang
Right from the start, Help and Monsters of Rock were going to be tough to beat. I would have no issue with Help moving on instead of us, even with their poor song choices. They are very good at what they do. But Alice was another story. I’m not here to bag on other bands, but even they know they had serious problems in their set and didn’t deserve to win (I heard them say it). How is it that the judges didn’t even comment on the guitar tuning issue or the near train wreck ending? EVERYONE else was talking about it.
3)LSD
Honestly, this is the only reason for writing this blog entry. I can take loosing. If they thought our vocal performance wasn’t strong enough, fine, but when I heard the judge Jamie Valle say our fans must be on LSD, I couldn’t believe my ears. Our friends and fans are the best group of people I have ever had the privilege of knowing, my apologies to all of you. I fully expect an apology from the judges, especially Jamie. I’ve listened to his comments for many of the bands and this self-righteous, dynamics obsessed, Jazz snob has no business judging ANYONE and has no relevance in today’s music!
This whole thing reminds me of when Jethro Tull won the Grammy for best heavy metal performance in 1989 over Metallica. (Ironic that Alice Copper presented the award).There were a lot of confused and dumfounded faces in the crowd Sunday night. I believe the UMC judges have damaged their credibility and have no class (well, Jamie Valle) and perhaps are the ones on LSD!
This week’s blog should be fun.
July 21, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Alice repeated some of the songs from round one too. I guess there’s nothing to say that is wrong but I expect a winner to play 3 different sets to prove they are more than their best songs.
July 21, 2008 at 12:36 pm
My predictions for last night were MOR and Help. After listening to it all, I think I was right. I think it should have gone like this.
MOR
Help
6one9
Alice
I bass my judging on; talent, mistakes, vocal pitch, showmanship. Alice did have more showmanship than Help, but Help played a pretty clean set. 6one9 has an amazing fan base!
July 21, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Greg w/6one9,
I won’t be critical of other bands, because we all worked hard. But I will be critical of the judges, and you are spot on regarding Jaime Valle. I thought he was bordering on insulting with all of the bands, his comments were bizarre and inappropriate. Your fans showed up in force and provided great support for you guys, and I was under the impression that was supposed to count in your favor. Your fans DO deserve an apology from Valle. The judging last night was beyond questionable, it was atrocious. Viejas should be embarrassed.
July 21, 2008 at 12:55 pm
MOR had the mummy…
Alice had the snake…
Could there be a Props On Stage Conspiracy Theory (POSCT) in the making?
July 21, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Mummy, snake, balloons, LED light sticks, LED HF fans, and don’t forget that thing with the plastic boobs for DDs. What could possibly be next?
July 21, 2008 at 1:52 pm
This is to Greg, the bass player, I think for 619, dude I am a sound man and a player and you, yourself were way too loud! You cause the rest of your own band to get louder due to youe sound. They can’t hear what their doing so they turn up and the whole sound goes to hell! I give props to your drummer, I don’t know how he could hear a thing he was doing with the sound level as loud as it was from you. I was right there next to the sound guy and he was shaking his head!!! You know, sometimes you just have to have faith in yourself and others rather than try to control everything all the time and let those do what they do! You guys had a great set! The best set and by far have the best players but man were you loud! Loud is one thing and I like it that way but too loud is too loud in anyone’s book!
July 21, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Dave, I believe 619 also repeated a Metal Health eh? I’d like to hear how tight the 619 bass and drums would be doing some Maiden. It’s a higher degree of difficulty. 619 is a good band, but I’m actually with sharron on this one which is keeping with my prediction.
July 21, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Hmmmmmm, where to begin …
I have been religiously reading these blogs on a daily basis for the past few weeks now and have found myself constantly looking forward to the Monday night critiques. I had also come to grow quite fond of Ed’s “spot on” reviews and had gained quite a bit of respect & appreciation for his opinion and for the opinions of his fellow judges. Until last night that is … their credibility definitely went straight out the window for me after last night.
To say that I am extremely disappointed in their judgments is an understatement. I am also absolutely bewildered and to be perfectly honest … quite disgusted. I had been so excited lately about this competition as a whole and was delighted with how refreshing & fun this was for San Diego’s music scene, but now, all I’m left with is a sour taste in my mouth. I’m a pretty stable minded person, got both feet planted firmly on the ground, don’t get caught up in conspiracy theories, and notions that these things are “rigged” (I hate even typing that) … but man, after last night … I can’t help but wonder.
When the winners were announced, the look of shock on people’s faces was undeniable (and quite sad to be honest with you). The fact that the judges “got it wrong” is unquestionable. Yes, I understand that my opinion is biased due to the fact that I am a 619 fan … but when you’ve got a couple guys from last nights winning band admitting that they played horribly and that their set was a train wreck (lemme guess … they was just saying this to be polite, right?) … again, it’s gotta make you wonder. I am capable of being extremely critical of a 619 performance (just ask them, lol) and by no means am I implying that they should have won last night just because I like them … they should’ve won because they deserved it. Noise volume aside (I’m not even gonna go there) … they played a much stronger set than they received the credit for.
The one thing that the judges got absolutely right, was the comment about 619 being a class act. Yes, this is most definitely true and yes, this is why they have the amazing fan base that they do. And it’s certainly not just the fact that they are all absolutely wonderful guys, but they are also all extremely talented & entertaining. 619, you made me very proud last night.
July 21, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Not a problem. I learned how to play bass from Iron Maiden when I was 11 years old. Seriously, Steve Harris in the ONLY bass player that I give credit for as an influence.
July 21, 2008 at 2:17 pm
The lsd comment, although a little out there, was meant as a joke. Regardless, if anyonme took offense i do sincerely apologize. I will speak with jaime about his mic etiquette. Jaime has an unusual way of expressing himself…
Levels: 6one9 had two 1/2 stacks on stage with lots of low, crunchy, muted tones. thus the heavy low end. when we line checked they sounded ok but once the set was on and the band really started to jam, they were too loud. we had to drastically lower the house volume to compensate for it. This means that the sound was coming from the STAGE not the p.a. It’s a tricky and imperfect process – line checks never happen at full volume. Casey does the best he can to balance levels but tries not to affect the bands’ stage volume or tone. Loud bands tend to be loud. So stop blaming the sound guy. It’s so stereotypical.
6one9 didn’t lose because of the volume issue. The judging forms are pretty clear – they were knocked points for a number of things. The judges latched onto this issue (much to my dismay) but it didn’t cost 6one9 the competition.
BTW there is one engineer all night to ensure continuity. And my sound engineers kick butt. We’ll gladly take on the Ultimate Sound Man Contest…
Alice didn’t have the best show I’ve ever seen but damn they brought it. But who cares what I think?
We hired judges to use their best judgement. Judging something is not a scientific process. It’s affected by emotion, personal preference, perception, personal experience, etc., etc. So give them a break would you? If you disagree that’s cool, but don’t imply anything other than a difference in perspective. These guys are truly using their best judgement and have nothing to gain or lose by the outcome.
July 21, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Fair enough Jason.
I LOVE the sound of the Dream Catcher Lounge. I also love the stage.
I’ve played there before and think the sound crew is great.
We however did NOT raise the volume of any instrument when starting the set. I also never said we should have won. I think we had a good shot, but I don’t think there are many people who think Alice should have won.
Jamie’s comment didn’t sound like a joke to me. It sounded mean sprited and angry. I’m not alone on that.
The judges themself said “The volume really hurt you” in the competition.
That’s all I have to go by.
July 21, 2008 at 2:40 pm
hey two more things:
1st I will ask the judges to comment on judging criteria listed on their forms and to not stray from it unless as a side note.
2nd I want to book 6one9 in the DC. you guys were great. I also want to bring Help! back. So no worries folks. You all did a great job.
July 21, 2008 at 2:42 pm
It DID really upset me last night when Jaime took a pot shot at 619 fans.
The judges and competition hosts practically BEG people to “come on out and show support” and didn’t 619 do the best job of filling the room with excited fans there to cheer on their band… and so you make fun of us? Boy, that makes me really want to come back week after week and spend my time and money when I’m going to be put down.
Someone should explain to Jazz boy Jaime that GOOD Rock n’ Roll MAKES you get up and dance… and 619 had the floor jammed dancing and having an awesome time.
The people on the floor for Alice were scratching their heads wondering “how did these guys make it this far”. I still think Alice
must be Ed’s secret lover…. only explanation!
July 21, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Greg — I agree w/ Jason. My husband and I both took Jaime’s comment about the LSD as a joke. Mr. Valle is a consummate musician who is extremely talented and very much up on “today’s music”.
Jason — Jaime’s “mic etiquette” is just fine! Compared to some of the songs/antics we’ve witnessed onstage, Jaime’s “etiquette” is very tame and much better entertainment! Remember… this is a bar setting…. with metal music and lyrics… if you have fans who are that easily offended, then they are in the wrong setting.
Greg, you guys were AWESOME and your fans were likewise. I still say that my original prediction should have held up. It should have been 6one9 and MOR to have move on. But… it is what it is. I hope you can get past your disappointment and come to the finals and cheer MOR on to victory! Bring your enthusiastic fans too!!
July 21, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Hmm, I thought Jamie’s comment to 619 the low notes were so loud they sterilized their fans and the acid comment was at Alice. I think the female judge may have been fondling Ed under the table during the Alice set thereby distracting him from the performance.
July 21, 2008 at 2:54 pm
I laughed at both comments by the way.
July 21, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Don’t be so hard on the Alice guys, they didn’t do the judging and yes thay had a bad night! Like any of these bands haven’t! It happenes and ya move on. I’ll bet the next time you see them they’ll do so much better just to clear their name!! I know those guys and I’m not saying what they thought but I know they will rock hard on the next show! All the bands kicked some serious but but someone has to move on ansd someone has to go home! Glad I’m not a judge!!
July 21, 2008 at 2:54 pm
My favorite is still the comparison of sequencers to dildos.
July 21, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Jason,
I look forward to playing in the future. I hope it happens.
We’ll turn down, I promise
It’s the best room in town.
Colleen,
Monsters of Rock all the way!
I’d love to see a great Rock band win the whole thing.
July 21, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Jaime’s comment (even if it was meant to be funny) was inappropriate and uncalled for. Believe me, we’re used to hearing debauchery at it’s finest and do not offend easily, but there was no need for this judge to insult the fans during his critique. If we were being rowdy or acting like a-holes, that would’ve been a different story … but we were just there having a good time.
July 21, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Hey everybody, I said it last night from the stage, but in case I wasn’t heard – Gavin (with the green guitar) had his amp take a dump at sound check. 619 was generous enough loan us some gear to get us through. It was a really cool thing to do as well as tossing us their support now. Thanks guys.
July 21, 2008 at 3:51 pm
hey people, just so you know, there were several comments that were awaiting moderation and just got approved, but because of the time they were initially posted, do not appear on the bottom of the blog. I guess what i”m saying is, scroll back up a bit to find the 5 comments you didn’t see.
July 21, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Um, just to avoid any confusion, the guy with user name monster drummer is not the drummer for monsters of rock. My own mouth gets me in trouble enough thank you very much.
July 21, 2008 at 4:22 pm
DR (Help Lennon)
Just read your comment. Thanks for the backup. You guys are great.
Monster Drummer. I’ll say it 100 times if needed, We did NOT turn up once afer line check. Not one of us. I pinky swar.
July 21, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Dave; Song selection plays a huge part in the contest. Point; HF didn’t play any of the jazz standards we do, or any ballads. It would be hard to get a good crowd reaction to “I’m Crazy”, by Patsy Cline, no matter how many times it is requested. As far as I know, no other band has done anything like Nor- Wood, of Guitar Weeps I love those songs, but they made me sit back and relax. Higher energy songs would have gotten a better response.
When I blogged about my homework, I stated that HF kept the stage volume down and let the sound crew have some space to do their thing. Yes, we trusted them. We were dinged because the judges thought Garrison’s voice was thin. Anyone who know Garrison will tell you that she has a huge voice. Nothing thin about it. So, either her undies were on too tight, she was scared out of her wits, or the mix wasn’t right. I’m guessing that her mix was set for a deeper male’s voice.
I’m also guessing that the reason 619 had some vocal problems, is because they were so loud, the monitors could not have possibly been heard. That is the issue. You just can’t nail harmonies if you can’t hear who you’re singing with!
As far as the LSD comment went. I am a child of the 60s too. I think Jaime was making a compliment! He was saying you fans were having a great time! I “get” Jaime. He was happy about the fan turnout and reaction, not insulting anyone. (Kind of like when my kids say something is “sick” it means it’s good).
July 21, 2008 at 4:51 pm
I think Jaime is a punk ass, and I mean that as a compliment.
You guys just don’t get me.
July 21, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Ed; I have an idea for formating next years contest. How about scoring each band from 0% to 100% in each category, then divide by the number of categories. (Add categories to balance the weight of fan response and musical ability- like 4 musical categories and 1 fan category). Announce the scores at the end of each round. Then at the end of the first 8 weeks, pick the top 8 scoring bands. Then do the same thing for the semi finals and pick the top 4 bands. With this method, if there were 5 really bad bands on one night, the scores would be low, and none of them would advance).
That way if AIAG, 6one9 and MOR are all on the same night, all can advance to the finals. It would make it a lot less “apples and oranges”.
July 21, 2008 at 5:01 pm
You were too loud
it wasn’t the sound guy’s fault
that aspect of the judging is covered by both musical ability and showmanship
even with that i thought you had it over alice
July 21, 2008 at 5:04 pm
i for one like the apples and orangesness of it all. Also, how anti-climactic will it be on a given night when nobody wins. That’s a big part of the fun, announcing the winner.
Nah, not really a fan of that idea. I like it how it is. but then, it’s not up to me. We’ll see what Jason has to say about it when he reads it?
July 21, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Ed, you could still have a winner for the night! But the suspense would be to see if that night’s winner holds up!
July 21, 2008 at 5:09 pm
than it’s not a winner. it’s a quasi winner
July 21, 2008 at 5:16 pm
But when 80z All Stars backed out, Gin Piston advanced. Wouldn’t it have been more fair if Corvelles (were the next high scoring band, thus) advanced?
Or, if by chance the worse bands in the contest all happened to be on the same night. Then the wonderful slot supporting public would have to listen to a really bad band again. Bad business.
July 21, 2008 at 5:19 pm
I believe you don’t get dinged for your song choice but you do get judged by the effect that song does to your show.
For us, we lost what crowd energy we were generating with our choice of Willin’. :::refer to week three, JumpStart:::
July 21, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Another idea for judging:
Each night of round one has two bands advance.
Four nights of Semi finals instead of two with this change. The Judges will set up the lineup and order of bands when round one is complete.
Only one band advances from each semi final night.
July 21, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Both Shaaron and Dave have good ideas. Dave’s idea is a good compromise between what Shaaron’s and Ed’s difference of opinion re. the whole “apples & oranges” thing.
UMC added having the judges give commentaries this year, which improved the audience response… and I think the higher level of bands that played this year. My suggestion to Jason and “powers that be” is to use Shaaron or Dave ideas for judging. Something new… However… I’d like to add to keep the same judges for next year. These judges have already been through the slings and arrows and would be have the thick skin needed for audience responses.
Ed — do you know Quinten Decker?
July 21, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Colleen; I agree! I have said it several times, The judges have done a fantastic job. Their comments have been right on the money 100% (OK 99.9%) I said that before HF played, and I still say it after we got our critique. We will be a better band for it.
Last night was no exception. Although I liked Help! The Alice Gang put on a better show. Yes, there were mistakes, but their stage volume was good enough to allow the sound crew to do their job, they had props (balloons and a snake) and they were entertaining! Help! sounded wonderful, but they just weren’t exciting or as much fun to watch. Again, I am a HUGE Beatles fan, and would give them my personal advantage over any band.
The contest was then between MOR and 619. Apples and apples. 619 clearly won on the fan response. MOR had the better vocals and volume. That was enough to win it for them!
July 21, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Dear Greg (619)
FYI, In my book, being high on acid is not offensive at all, I had great and crazy times with the stuff, and so what.
During the 60’s, before you were born, rock was young, I was there, getting high and making music, the kind of music you are now trying to learn how to play my friend.
For the record, I gave your band some of the highest scores I have ever given any band so far in this competition, in spite of the high decibels I was being subjected to. My final pick was “Help” and “MOR.”
Regarding my ” acid” comment to the band, It was not meant to be mean spirited at all, I was not angry either, all the opposite, my dear amateur bassist,
I was quite happy, even with my ears in pain.
My comment was a compliment to the power of your group’s music and the reaction of your fans, I guess suburbanite “rockers” now days have virgin ears.
A crowd on acid was something I always longed for at all my rock concerts.
The general reaction to my compliment confirms the old adage:
“No good deed ever goes unpunished,”
So be it.
Musically yours,
~ Punk Ass Jaime
July 21, 2008 at 7:38 pm
JV! LOL!!! I love your reply!! All soooooo true!!
July 21, 2008 at 7:55 pm
to all the judge’s. GREAT JOB!!!!! all four band’s were EXCELLENT!! but this was’nt a kindergarden talent show! the judge’s told it the way they heard it! they were very hard on monsters of rock but yet? who was one of the winner’s MONSTERS OF ROCK. these judges are telling the band’s what they need to work on to be the BEST, and i admire that. i have to admit i wanted monsters to win. they deserved it! they have the best hard rock vocalist in town! unless your vocalist i don’t think many people understand just how hard it is to sing that type of music by so many different vocalist in so many different band’s! it’s one thing to polish your craft after just one group like 99% of all other tribute band’s. this group pays tribute to MANY of the greatest rock band’s of all TIME!! and that set’s them apart from just being any old tribute band. that’s why they WON!!!
July 21, 2008 at 8:03 pm
JV; You called Greg, 619, “my dear amateur bassist”. what is your criteria of defining an amateur from a pro?
Is it skill, or is it money? Is it dues, or is it respect?
I’ve been supporting myself playing bass and singing for decades. Does that make me a pro, or just a lucky amateur?
July 21, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Tim, you’re out of line, keep it cool.
July 21, 2008 at 8:07 pm
Tom from Monsters of Rock, sorry about the name dude, was the first thing to come in my head when I went to write something. Everyone, he’s off the hook for saying anything wrong. I thought you guys rocked and that you were the strongest drummer there. Greg from 619, OK, OK man. . . I have to believe a Pinly Swear so Ok dude. You guys kicked some serious ass as well!
July 21, 2008 at 8:18 pm
I agree Olaf, Tim’s comment was borderline threatening, and it has been removed. Hey people, let’s try to keep in mind that this is blog is supposed to be fun. We will not tolerate threats, and obnoxious behavior. Sorry, that’s just the way it is.
July 21, 2008 at 8:20 pm
oops, that was a lyric from Sublime.
July 21, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Sharon my friend,
It has nothing to do with respect, I respect Greg’s dedication to his instrument, , I do know many amateurs musicians that have been playing for years making a good living.
I’ve seen you work around town, longer than some of these players have been alive.
I guess it involves training, great skills and versatility, the money comes by itself.
I have several projects where I need professional musicians that can sight read on the spot, I have been writing music for NFL films for over 30 years now, good rocking stuff, Metal, Blues, Hip hop Pop, etc. whatever the client needs.
In my estimation, a pro must have the necessary skills to step into any musical situation and get the job done with out having seen the material in advance.
If you have a different definition, please let me have it.
My mind is open, and as you know, I will listen.
Thanks
-JV
July 21, 2008 at 8:32 pm
I actually like Dave’s suggestion to. I’d be supportive of that system. Also, Shaaron, while I don’t care much for your system, I do agree that the better way to fill a slot opening, is to pick the next highest score, of all the nights. That seems to be a good way to do it. I’ll see what the powers that be say about that for next year.
e.
July 21, 2008 at 8:40 pm
well, literally speaking, “professional” simply means, getting paid. But there is an underlying, subtext to the word “pro” which contains the sort of top class professionalism to which Jaime refers.
For instance, I am a professional writer, but I do not consider myself to be a pro. the pros are guys like the Gonzo, Salinger and Twain.
July 21, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Ed,
In the music business, whether in SD, LA, NYC, London, or Nashville, a “pro” is always a top tier musician with great skills, training and versatility, he or she get the job done clean, precisely and quickly, ask any producer, studio engineer or music contractor, they will tell you, real pros are in demand.
Carol Kaye, is my idea of a consummate pro musician.
http://carolkaye.com/www/biography/index.htm
Thanks,
-JV
July 21, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Well, Jaime, if you had actually paid attention to th 619 crowd you would have realized that you are at least 20 years older than 99% of their fans. Maybe you should pick have chosen a reference that they could recognize and actually find complimentary? I thought you jazz guys were supposed to be hip?
July 21, 2008 at 10:09 pm
JV; As I stated in one of my blogs, and I have in writing on my bio page of the HF web site; I studied with Carol Kaye, and She has called me an “amazing talent”. Carol also sent me to her friends for shopping a CD I did. I get the job done vocally in the studio in one or two takes. The few times I get called for bass work, I sweat, but I have a lot of credits. I like to consider myself a pro, but I am also very aware that there is always better players.
July 21, 2008 at 10:23 pm
Patty; JV is very aware of his audience. He didn’t get to where he is by being blind to his environment. Maybe the 619 audience should listen up when one of their well respected seniors critique their band. I assure you the band is listening! Part of the attraction for bands in this contest is to get the pro’s opinion. To hire a producer to pick apart a band, give constructive critiques, and “produce” an act, costs thousands of dollars. The judges critique is a freebie! Wouldn’t it make all the effort that 619, and all the bands, put into doing this contest more worth while if a fan actually said something like “I heard you at the contest, and I’ve noticed that you are doing what the judges said. And you guys are really getting better” Then they would say something like “You fuckin rock dude” “You’re SICK” or “I had a boner just listening t you” Get my point?
July 21, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Shaaron… I realize that you are in a rock band and all, but don’t be insulting. I’m your age, I just don’t look it. I’m not a child and I don’t (and never did) take drugs and I think the reference (especially said in the tone that he said it , was insulting). That is my opinion and you have yours. 619 brought a lot of people who did a lot of drinking… that should not rate that type of comment. I don’t care how great you and Jaime think Jaime is, he was rude last night on more than one occasion. The comment he made about the fans had nothing to do with making 619 a better band, did it? And exactly where is Jaime? I doubt anyone ( in the club (including you) had ever heard of Jaime before this competition. I’m not saying his music isn’t good, I don’t know it, I’ve never heard of him before (I listen to ROCK!).
BTW, you don’t have to kiss up anymore, you aren’t still in the competition. And yes, I DO think you got screwed when they let in DU…
but that doesn’t make it any less valid when 619 and their fans feel that they got screwed too.
July 22, 2008 at 12:25 am
This sort of travesty is typical of the runner-up, backwater, second-rate, San Diego music scene experience. 619 got ripped off. First of all, I don’t know who was sleeping on the FOH mixing board, but they finally got it right about the time Alice came on after butchering the mixes of the other bands. But hey… that’s typical. Also 619 had way more fans there that made way more noise, so check your decibel meter… you don’t know how to run it.
To Casey and the rest of the 619 guys, I feel for you. You had the guts to get into this contest and hope for “fairness” or that it would be “competently” run. I wouldn’t have. None of these things happens in San Diego… it’s a joke… just like the meaningless San Diego Music Awards that Jaime has won. San Diego’s reputation as bush-league is just more confirmed with this. I can’t say I’m surprised.
July 22, 2008 at 1:36 am
So much BS flying!
619 get real, you received high scores from all the judges,
but you lost, so you now think the Viejas casino crew does not know how to read a decibel meter correctly, give me a break! it sounds like your fans are accusing the casino of cheating just because you lost.
You’re blaming everyone but yourselves.
After all this, you still would like a job at the Dreamcatcher right?, that’s crazy! I don’t think the casino crew would like you back anytime soon.
In my humble opinion, the judges are doing a great job.
July 22, 2008 at 8:11 am
Patty; My tone was not to insult you or 619. My tone was to show the difference of generation based slang. I don’t think you are my age. You say you don’t look your age, gee, I don’t either. I am not kissing up to the judges. I still contend that they are professional, have done a great job, and I respect them. I have said that several times. We lost, there is no reason to kiss up at this point. But some of the the bands that lost are being cry babies.
I would not want any of HF fans making a fuss about us losing! It’s nice to hear that we were great and all, but it would be demeaning to be part of a sour grape blog. (SGCT).
As far as the decibel readings go, I thought 619 was the loudest. But we all have to trust the meter. The whole night was loud!
I’ve never been “friends” with Jaime, however I was introduced to him 30 years ago, and I have been aware of his career. I have been a musician in this town a very long time, and I think it is part of my job to know who does what. So, I have known who Jaime is.
July 22, 2008 at 8:18 am
Olaf… can’t you read? 619 isn’t accusing Viejas of cheating. More than a few of us believe that they made a HUMAN ERROR and wrote the dc meter readings down wrong somehow. Were you at the show? Were you paying attention? Have you ever been around the 619 crowd? They are, by nature a loud, party crowd. There were easily three times as many people on the dance floor cheering on 619 as those for Alice. Nobody here is questioning that. It is the truth and not debateable. And the Alice crowd is, even by Ed’s account, old and tired. Does that sound like a wild crowd? I watched the crowd during Alice’s performance and people just didn’t think they were very good (they weren’t last night).
Obviously all of this discussion isn’t going to change the outcome. But it certainly isn’t sour grapes to stick up for yourself and to voice your opinion. I’m pretty sure that is exactly what this blog is all about.
BTW, 619 is a class act and they OBVIOUSLY draw in huge crowds. Viejas
would be crazy not to book them again… isn’t that what they want ~ lots of people driving up to their casino / club drinking and spending their hard earned money? If this blog, and the discussion hurts Viejas’s feelings so they don’t hire a really great band…. isn’t that just plain silly? Oh, and bad business too!
Finally, it isn’t BS flying to express your opinion. You probably were in one of the kinda crappy bands that didn’t win your prelim night so it might feel pretty good to see a great band shot down ~ huh!
July 22, 2008 at 8:42 am
As I mentioned before, I was upstairs for the first Semi final and could hear the crowd.
All of you dopes that think 6ONE9 had the louder response don’t seem to understand that you couldn’t hear the entire crowd ’cause you were all yellin’ for your band.
From my perspective the crowd was louder to the left for 6ONE9 and louder to the right for Alice.
waa waaah waaah
July 22, 2008 at 9:04 am
Hey! All you in the Sour grapes department!!! Why don’t you “GO HOME AND GET REAL!!!” Todays youth…(kids & hipsters) is just a damn bitter bunch of sore asses. Better luck next time, make sure you strap on your pampers before you leave the house!
July 22, 2008 at 9:33 am
Honest Shmoe… is obviously one of the old and tired Alice fans. Good for you that you can still yell loud enough ( and stay up late enough) to get your band through… you gonna be recovered by the finals?
jkjkjk
Oh, and bring your depends… it may be another long night
July 22, 2008 at 10:58 am
Patti,
I’m not a musician, I am a sound engineer who doubles as a bouncer in few PB clubs, I never heard of 619 before, yes I was there, if merely by accident.
I left the casino early but I did catch their set, great fan base, but the band was not as good as you make it out to be,.
The cacophony and chaos was atrocious specially in the low end.
Sorry to hurt your feelings.
Peace.
July 22, 2008 at 11:58 am
Patti; The “Depends” comeback was brilliant, and very funny! Drop me an e mail (through HF website) and we can have the “age” discussion in private.
619’s performance might have been as good in the semis as it was the first time. However, they were so loud and muddled it was hard to hear just what they were doing. Again, you have to keep the stage volume down so you can hear the monitors. If you can’t hear the voices, you can’t gage your harmony part. They were dinged for pitchy vocals. That’s why. Remember HF got 1st on audience reaction, and we still lost to DU. It’s about the performance!
July 22, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Good one Patti! lmao! You’ll be surprised to know I’m not old or tired, me…I’m in ma prime:P yeah! and really not an Alice fan but congrats to them.
This dude right here Patti? I said this dude right HERE sista? Is rootin for the almighty R.A.T.M. tribute. I got money ridin on em what can I say? We’ll see what happens but I know for damn sure the Mor and Alice clan are going to give them a hell of a run for their money, in return giving everyone in attendance a show to remember! Hey I’ll call “Anger” sore asses too if they happen to lose and their reactions turn to name calling, excuse after excuse judge bashin sons of biiatches.
All I’m sayin is take your mother lovin excuses and go shove it, in times like these reality is something you posses and with the $20,000, $8,000, $4,000 factor you better damn well not only do your homework, and bring your “A” game but as well pull out a crap load of crowd pleasing radical ideas to excite and delight, bottom line… be the best entertainer there taking the good with the bad and being diverse and adapt to critisism by turning it positive into constructive, you fall down? You get right back up and put the past in the past and keep moving, cause if you flinch? I believe “Anger” will slip its head in an not just give you the tip… they’ll give you the whole damn thing and take this motha!lol! haha!
Competition is hell girl!, but it can bring out the absolute best in someone if they let it! If you let your fans make up excuses for you and give you a scape goat it’ll only hurt you even more and keep you down repressin your ass! Fuk that sh!t!
Again! Congrats Mor and Alice you guys are great musicians and entertainers, best of luck! Big ups to the Judges for doing what they do best, lots of love and respect! lates…
July 22, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Patti and Shaaron with 2a’s!!! Congrats as well going into your change of life, the Hot Flashes will pass! look on the bright side at least you don’t have to worry about gettin knocked up anymore. have the time of your life girls cya!
July 22, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Are you girls gonna be at this weeks semi’s and the finals?
July 22, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Nice to see, over here we have a more reasonable, cordial discussion. Wish it could be that over there too. Thanks guys and gals, for helping to keep it that way.
July 22, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Yes, Honest Shmoe, I will be there. The only week I missed was week 2. HF was playing in the V Lounge, but we came over during our breaks. The only band we got to hear was King Bees. Our breaks were the same time as the set up times in the DreamCatcher. As far as the hot flashes. Just a part of life. The goal, for many of us, is to live to a ripe old age. It’s just part of it, like guys getting hair in their ears and trying to use it, as well as their eyebrows, as a comb over.
Every week as we leave, we play the slots, and see other contest audience playing too. Mostly it’s the over 40 crowd playing. I don’t think the casino is making very much from the younger fans.
July 22, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Hey Schmoe… I am surprised that a AIAG fan would make a comment like your first one. But, whatever. Actually, I have a LOT of friends in the local music scene and have been a fan of MONSTERS of ROCK and 619 for years. I wanted them BOTH to move forward and hoped they would.
I’m over Sunday… time to heal and move forward… right into the finals with MONSTERS!
THERE IS NO WAY I WOULD EVER MISS CHEERING ON MY FAVORITES – MONSTERS OF ROCK IN THE FINALS…. so, you’ll see then. I’ll wear my
good luck little black dress, so you can look for me then! BUt you better be nice, cause dude, I wear 6″ heals!!!
(BTW, I actually like a couple Rage songs and I’m anxious to see your boys in action)
Shaaron, I’ll email you at your site. Like I said before, I am looking forward to coming to see one of your gigs and bringing the girls in with me.
Olaf… why would your opinion about 619 hurt MY feelings. Music is subjective which is one of the great things about it. I have spent many
nights dancing my ass off with 619 for the past several years and I will continue to do so. My guess is that if you came to one of their gigs, you’d have a really great time too
July 22, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Honest Schmoe Patti and I are enlightened women. Getting “knocked up” has never been something I worry about. There are respectful women in rock, and I have always been one of them. One of the reasons I am still in bands at my age is because I have not been a follower of the “sex, drugs and rock and roll” lifestyle. I’ve never smoked, don’t drink very much, no drugs, and stayed away from the bad boys. Music is a business. I am the Haute Flash leader. I am a business woman. And, oh boy, I love my job!
July 22, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Patti; I am looking forward to your e mail, and I am really looking forward to you coming to a HF gig. We would love to have the support of someone as musically fanatic as you! Thank you!
July 22, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Ed, we opened for Dread Zeppelin, it was a great show and tons of backstage fun that night! They have been playing for 20 years now. They don’t have Bob Narley but Tort Elvis is still the King!
Randy, Loss of Control, aug.1st&2nd. Alpine Inn 9PM:)
Alice Cooper for 4 hours, for how many days a month and how many months? Or earsplitting music for how many days and how many hours?
Also I think bands that are farther away from Viajas have a disadvantage when it comes to getting fans to come. Help is a north county band and for some it is an hour and a half drive. Just imagine all the carbon offsets we would have to by from Algore if all the Help fans came!
July 28, 2008 at 8:30 am
Can anyone tell me why the order of the bands performing was changed last night???????
July 28, 2008 at 11:33 am
M.Fritzal; I think this week 8 blog is dead. Ask that question on the current, ’semi one” blog. It’s a good question, and I was wondering too. Usually it has something to do with bands issues.
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